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Face Sculpting Index - Saturday Demo - Log 1: Skull Form, Forensic Sculpting, Aluminum Foil Skulls |
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posey4u has joined the conference. beadyeyedbrat has joined the conference. miss_meme_30 has joined the conference. donnalny has joined the conference. rschneiter1963 has joined the conference. leasbeadheaven has joined the conference. rschneiter1963: hello ladies beadyeyedbrat: Hiyas everclay has joined the conference. posey4u has left the conference. miss_meme_30: afternoon everyone everclay: Hi there norajean_sf: Right click on my name to choose "view webcam" I got to get something. mommaclara2001 has joined the conference. mommaclara2001 has left the conference. rschneiter1963: a Skull? beadyeyedbrat: wow he's cool miss_meme_30: brb need food everclay: or you get to look like him..... leasbeadheaven: nj, can you send me an invite for the webcam? I'm getting a "server is busy" message mommaclara2001 has joined the conference. everclay: wb clara mazutwo has joined the conference. mommaclara2001: Thank uou. everclay: Hi Marilyn mommaclara2001: You mazutwo: good morning everyone mommaclara2001: Hi everyone. mazutwo: it's 7am here norajean_sf: Marilyn and I woke up for Demo just in Time, she in Australia and me in Rainy San Francisco raven_hill_wench has joined the conference. clayladyinred has joined the conference. mommaclara2001: Hi Shan clayladyinred: hi :-) norajean_sf: Ok, everyone right click on my name and choose "view webcam" if the server is busy keep on clicking clayladyinred: thanks NJ beadyeyedbrat: Funky font everclay: already got the skull raven_hill_wench: hi everyone mommaclara2001: Hi raven clayladyinred: better? norajean_sf: coolness, Eva, we're just making sure everyone does. rschneiter1963: NJ want us to make out font bigger? norajean_sf: Yes please, it helps when I'm moved away from the monitor sculpting. leasbeadheaven: I'm still not seeing it. can you send me an invite to the webcam? mommaclara2001: ok mazutwo: OK raven_hill_wench: how big? lol norajean_sf: Shannon, could you post to COC to let them know we've started demo please. I don't even have a browser window open yet. norajean_sf: Momma Clara could you make that bold, by clicking the "B" on the menu bar, please? clayladyinred: sure can NJ mazutwo: I am going to get a cuppa while we wait brb norajean_sf: Thank you honey. mommaclara2001: Yes Maam norajean_sf: That's what I am going to do Marilyn, my first cup of coffee awaits me in the kitchen. brb beadyeyedbrat: coofffffeeeeee! everclay: I'm on my 8th cup by now raven_hill_wench: first cup? now thats a night owl norajean_sf: Kim, font bigger bolder, please honey rschneiter1963: got my soda right here mommaclara2001: It is getting to be dinner time. Making soup. leasbeadheaven: nj. I'm still getting a server busy beadyeyedbrat: OKay norajean_sf: Even though I got up early yesterday for Jury Duty by the time I went to bed I couldn't sleep. rschneiter1963: so did you have to serve? You have invited leasbeadheaven to view your webcam. beadyeyedbrat: I'm going to the coffee IV soon norajean_sf: Better font Kim, thanks honey beadyeyedbrat: NP leasbeadheaven: thanks NJ norajean_sf: No I wasn't selected and if you go when called and you're not selected then you're done for the year. mazutwo: back with tea and chocolate rschneiter1963: oh great will remember that rschneiter1963: I havent gone yet but I know one day I will clayladyinred: ok, got an invite on COC NJ :-) mommaclara2001: Is the schull moving? norajean_sf: San Francisco is a City and a County, plus there's the Feds, we only have 700,000 residents. So one can be called more than once in a year. So I got my "proof of service" so I can say "Done my Duty". norajean_sf: Momma if the skull is moving then I'm going to jump out of my skin. norajean_sf: LOL beadyeyedbrat: Maybe you've had too much coffee Clara norajean_sf: LOLOL mommaclara2001: Ok, just checking rschneiter1963: NJ Bonsai Kathy is online now mommaclara2001: :"> clayladyinred: maybe the camera got bumped a bit Mom :-) rschneiter1963: she wanted me to let you know norajean_sf: odd I sent her invite bonsaikathy has joined the conference. norajean_sf: there she is beadyeyedbrat: Hi BK rschneiter1963: yeah!!! everclay: Hi Kathy norajean_sf: Bonsai Kathy, has the group of teens shown up at the hotel yet? clayladyinred: hi BK :-) mommaclara2001: No, I was just checking to see if the web cam was stuck.:x mazutwo: Has anyone used a small skull to sculpt over they sell them at art shops for sculptors clayladyinred: ohhhh... gotcha rschneiter1963: no norajean_sf: things in the webcam will not move if I'm typing norajean_sf: unless there's an earthquake in San Francisco bonsaikathy: I'll be in and out but hello all clayladyinred: no, I never have mazutwo mommaclara2001: Hi Kathy everclay: brb mazutwo: Hi Kathy norajean_sf: I think everyone has cam, no? rschneiter1963: yes leasbeadheaven: yes mommaclara2001: Yes mazutwo: I saw a skull being used on line but I think it was with paperclay norajean_sf: Let's do roll call while we say yes or not got cam norajean_sf: NoraJean, San Francisco, Cam open clayladyinred: yes mazutwo: yes rschneiter1963: Bec Iowa cam open leasbeadheaven: yes, Lea, NY clayladyinred: Shannon, West Virginia mommaclara2001: Clara, Glenville,WV beadyeyedbrat: Kim, Sandy Eggo CA everclay: Eva, Denmark raven_hill_wench: shawna, Detroit donnalny: yes raven_hill_wench: I was trying to figure out where sandy eggo was rofl clayladyinred: LOL beadyeyedbrat: Say it Shawna mazutwo: Ha got me too everclay: you're a brat, Kim raven_hill_wench: heh beadyeyedbrat: Absolutely! norajean_sf: http://www.norajean.com/DemoStuff/091005-FaceGrid.htm bonsaikathy: Kathy in E. TN bonsaikathy: nothing like being late norajean_sf: I'm going to review the face grid on this skull here. The faces I'll sculpt today will be larger than last night. norajean_sf: how does that sound? clayladyinred: great! raven_hill_wench: sounds great everclay: sounds good mommaclara2001: Ok mazutwo: great raven_hill_wench: I love that little skull raven_hill_wench: we need a demo on how to sculpt skulls! beadyeyedbrat: YES we do norajean_sf: This skull is a ceramic ash tray from the San Francisco Palace of Legion of Honor Museum gift shop. clayladyinred: yikes! instant labotomy!! LOL raven_hill_wench: ash tray? ha! raven_hill_wench: well I still want to sculpt a skull beadyeyedbrat: How fun mazutwo: my son would love it norajean_sf: This is a foil and clay cover that's been cured. Dawn has joined the conference. norajean_sf: Howdy Dawn clayladyinred: hi Dawn You have invited Dawn to view your webcam. stariedawn: Hi buddy long time no see bonsaikathy: HI Dawn norajean_sf: Dawn and Bonsai Kathy can you make your font bigger and bold for my old eyes, please? bonsaikathy: yup norajean_sf: I'm going to put this foil and clay cover back on the skull here. stariedawn: okayokay leasbeadheaven: brb bonsaikathy: had intended on it just hadn't had a chance yet raven_hill_wench: zombie! rschneiter1963: why? beadyeyedbrat: eep! bonsaikathy: why what norajean_sf: let's review the face grid. rschneiter1963: why the tin foil norajean_sf: http://www.norajean.com/DemoStuff/091005-FaceGrid.htm bonsaikathy: armature everclay: release norajean_sf: The tin foil was put on the ceramic skull as a "release" so the clay didn't stick to it in the oven. rschneiter1963: ok norajean_sf: Exactly correct, Eva. everclay: see clayladyinred: creepy... a skull with braces ;-) everclay: lol beadyeyedbrat: That's what my second ex hub looked like when he woke up in the morning raven_hill_wench: rofl clayladyinred: LOL clayladyinred: 3-d face grid! bonsaikathy: hey Shannon clayladyinred: hey BK! nndewbre has joined the conference. You have invited nndewbre to view your webcam. raven_hill_wench: is there a specific proportional .....umm.... whatever .... for where to put the lines? lol norajean_sf: http://www.norajean.com/DemoStuff/091005-FaceGrid.htm for Norma clayladyinred: maybe I could get one of my kids to stand still long enough that I could try it on them ;-) clayladyinred: yes raven nndewbre: Yee gads clayladyinred: eyes at half mark norajean_sf: Check that page on face grid it has the explanation, you can book mark it for later. nndewbre: Hi all, ok will do norajean_sf: now let's put in the "V" lines, side of the nose, cheek bone, side of mouth, under lower lip. rschneiter1963: will you keep the clay lines there? bonsaikathy: no bonsaikathy: they'll eventually be adjusted to form the face mazutwo: will we have pics of this bonsaikathy: but they are there to show you the proportions and give you a visual as to how to move the clay into place nndewbre: We doing forensic science here? bonsaikathy: for all the features norajean_sf: not unless someone volunteers to do screen shots. raven_hill_wench: thats looking like a science experiment gone wrong heh <ducks> norajean_sf: Biz-Archive/MSAT/ClayArt/WebCam/ScreenShots.htm mazutwo: sorry can't help didn't read up on that norajean_sf: the indentation of the cheek bones is a big "V" clayladyinred: NJ, I'll try to grab screen shots for ya... had to see if my program was working :-) bonsaikathy: thanks Shannon, I"m not able from work mazutwo: thanks norajean_sf: Ok, Shannon, we might have to catch the first part of this in the second review. clayladyinred: yw bonsaikathy: I'm on the laptop and can just barely watch the demo on this thing it's so slow clayladyinred: ok NJ norajean_sf: oh, rats, the door, brb nndewbre: NJ, I can try screen shots, don't know, I get absorbed in watching marlea_anderson has joined the conference. ljcswartz has joined the conference. beadyeyedbrat: Hi ladies You have invited marlea_anderson to view your webcam. ljcswartz: hi... interesting pic You have invited ljcswartz to view your webcam. clayladyinred: howdy ljcswartz: spacing demo? everclay: Shoot - gotta go babysit next door beadyeyedbrat: T thinks the skull looks like a cenobyte norajean_sf: http://www.norajean.com/DemoStuff/091005-FaceGrid.htm clayladyinred: ok Eva... see ya later everclay: I'll leave everything on raven_hill_wench: cenobyte? everclay: might get back norajean_sf: Ok, Eva beadyeyedbrat: From Hellraiser norajean_sf: It does look like a Cenobyte, that's from Hell Raiser raven_hill_wench: ooh ok clayladyinred: LOL beadyeyedbrat: A creature who has been damned norajean_sf: Pinky Link Jinx Kim, LOL raven_hill_wench: I saw those movies but didnt remember all their names beadyeyedbrat: He calls them "creatively gruesome" clayladyinred: say that 10 times fast norajean_sf: LOL norajean_sf: Ok, so are there any questions about the fact grid and the "V" lines? norajean_sf: why we use them as guides in sculpting? mazutwo: no raven_hill_wench: nope norajean_sf: Someone mentioned forensice and sculpting. nndewbre: not me, I'll catch the first part next round beadyeyedbrat: Love forensics leasbeadheaven: I'm back. yikes that's scary looking. clayladyinred: wb Lea norajean_sf: http://www.norajean.com/Rambles/10-28-04-ForensicsSculpting.htm nndewbre: Looks like I need a spell checker on messenger <g> norajean_sf: There's a ramble, and it's linked to the face sculpting demo prep page. That talks about using facial reconstruction and forensics as a tool to sculpting. norajean_sf: there's a link to a page of links to sites that deal with this topic. norajean_sf: one thing about using a skull for sculpting is there's less added clay to the top of the skull than to the bottom, around the cheeks especially. leasbeadheaven: I know I missed the beginning, but could you give me a brief breakdown of what i missed, if u don't mind? norajean_sf: which part honey? The Face Grid? leasbeadheaven: yup norajean_sf: http://www.norajean.com/DemoStuff/091005-FaceGrid.htm norajean_sf: book mark that page and tell me when you're done. norajean_sf: ok? leasbeadheaven: go it. thanks norajean_sf: For those who have not book marked the face sculpting prep page... marlea_anderson: i have to go for a while- need to get dinner started- hopefully i can peek in a few times norajean_sf: http://www.norajean.com/DemoStuff/01-13to15-06-FaceSculpting/Prep.htm norajean_sf: book mark that and it has a boat load of links for face sculpting, the face grid, forensic sculpting, etc. norajean_sf: made for your convenience and mine, LOL. leasbeadheaven: did you first put foil on the face before adding clay? I think that's when I stepped away norajean_sf: ok, why do I use a face grid before sculpting a face. norajean_sf: Oh that? I had a foil and clay cover to a ceramic skull prepared in advance. I'll take it off the skull to show you. rschneiter1963: to get it lin3d up? rschneiter1963: lined up? mazutwo: So you put clay where it builds the features rschneiter1963: to flesh it out? rschneiter1963: like them crime shows? norajean_sf: Now who has watched CSI, the forensic TV show? beadyeyedbrat: mememe clayladyinred: me me me! nndewbre: memememe beadyeyedbrat: And Forensic files rschneiter1963: no but I watched others mazutwo: me too raven_hill_wench: I love csi norajean_sf: so those who have watched forensic files or CSI have seen the process of building up a skull to get the face of someone who has come into harm's way? raven_hill_wench: yep beadyeyedbrat: yup mazutwo: yes nndewbre: yup norajean_sf: then why don't we use these same skills in sculpting? norajean_sf: use a skull under all the faces we sculpt norajean_sf: and then build up on that skull? nndewbre: because it cost money? <g> clayladyinred: sounds just crazy enough to work LOL norajean_sf: this is the opposite approach than the face grid on a lump of clay. beadyeyedbrat: I wanna bucky skill norajean_sf: instead of working from the surface down, we work from the skull forward. mazutwo: well I did once but it was made out of foil shaped like a skull norajean_sf: it's not expensive if you use a small foil skull that you've fasioned at your work table. marlea_anderson has left the conference. countrylady100ca has joined the conference. nndewbre: OOOOHHHH, I see where you're going You have invited countrylady100ca to view your webcam. mazutwo: one day i will let you see a pic of my feral boy yuk clayladyinred: hi Sonya beadyeyedbrat: So you just have to guess at the muscles and such nndewbre: Do a little sculpting on the tinfoil first countrylady100ca: Hi Ladies mommaclara2001: Hi Sonya nndewbre: hi norajean_sf: all the aluminum foil armatures I make for my figures have aluminum foil skulls for their head. norajean_sf: I'll get a picture link. clayladyinred: no, somewhere NJ has pics of where the muscles are beadyeyedbrat: oh cool nndewbre: I've used the tinfoil inside but just a ball, no shaping beadyeyedbrat: Suppose I could look in an anatomy book clayladyinred: or you can get a book of anatomy clayladyinred: LOL yep beadyeyedbrat: lotta gmta today norajean_sf: Armature-Grp norajean_sf: That's the link for the aluminum foil armature countrylady100ca: Sorry in my thought are halloween is coming???? Oh how to sculpture mazutwo: i have a book on anatomy that has those pics duh i never thought to use it for sculpting norajean_sf: Armature-002 clayladyinred: NJ has a really neat way of doing the armature rschneiter1963: Ok Elaine here gotta go my friends norajean_sf: the last three pictures on this page show "getting a head in life" beadyeyedbrat: I do Halloween all year long rschneiter1963 has left the conference. beadyeyedbrat: Put 3 pages together even mommaclara2001: ByeElaine countrylady100ca: Smile at kennedy norajean_sf: now I'll get a link to a forensic site that show's tissue depth. I will also be saving log and it's a good time for a break. Chat, go potty, get coffee, and I'll be back in 10 minutes. |
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