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Face Sculpting Index - Friday Demo, Log 1: Face grid, V shapes, first pass |
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bonsaikathy has joined the conference. vlady6us has joined the conference. posey4u has joined the conference. bonsaikathy: Hi Sandie raven_hill_wench has joined the conference. vlady6us: hi kathy and nj and posey and shawna everclay has joined the conference. vlady6us: hi eva everclay: Hi there raven_hill_wench: hi vlady posey4u: Hi everyone bonsaikathy: Hi everyone everclay: do you have your cam on NJ? norajean_sf: Just got it on, had to change status line vlady6us: ty nj everclay: thx - got it everclay: brb-going for a cup of java You have invited everclay to view your webcam. You have invited posey4u to view your webcam. You have invited raven_hill_wench to view your webcam. posey4u: me too...coffeeeeeeeee brb norajean_sf: yes get coffee norajean_sf: Marilyn in Australia will be coming soon vlady6us: oh cool norajean_sf: let's give folks a few minutes to log on and get their invite vlady6us: ok vlady6us: what has everyone been making this week? bonsaikathy: I can help with virtual scribing, unless the phone rings or my last checkin comes in melodyhill2000 has joined the conference. vlady6us: hi melody You have invited melodyhill2000 to view your webcam. bonsaikathy: but if someone else can get the screen shots that would be great bonsaikathy: I don't have the ability here at work nndewbre has joined the conference. melodyhill2000: hello You have invited nndewbre to view your webcam. vlady6us: hi nn mazutwo has joined the conference. norajean_sf: I think there's enough screen shots taken for the various face sculpting demos we've done in the past vlady6us: hi mazutwo mazutwo: Hi Everyone it's a lovely day today here. You have invited mazutwo to view your webcam. norajean_sf: I think what we do need is during question and answer sessions to let folks get their questions asked, seen and answered. Some folks felt bad that their questions scrolled up and went unanswered because they were unseen. nndewbre: Hi everyone norajean_sf: brb nndewbre: Looks like I didn't miss anything, just walked in the door norajean_sf: Ok has everyone seen the Prep page for face sculpting? everclay: no norajean_sf: http://www.norajean.com/DemoStuff/01-13to15-06-FaceSculpting/Prep.htm nndewbre: No, sorry, haven't had achance norajean_sf: you can book mark it for later. raven_hill_wench: Ive been studying the prep pages since they were sent nndewbre: Oh, yes, I have seen that page. norajean_sf: For those who have seen this page are there any questions before I start on the face grid? everclay: got it bookmarked now - thx bonsaikathy: not from here melodyhill2000: no lvmypolymerclay has joined the conference. vlady6us: hi lynn nndewbre: no ? You have invited lvmypolymerclay to view your webcam. norajean_sf: brb lvmypolymerclay: Hey Sandie vlady6us: long time no see lynn. how ya doinf? bonsaikathy: Hi Lynn vlady6us: doing lvmypolymerclay: I've got the flu\ bonsaikathy: oh no vlady6us: oh no thats not good bonsaikathy: sorry to hear that lvmypolymerclay: hi Kathy bonsaikathy: it's been going around here and I've so far managed to escape it lvmypolymerclay: I got it this past Sunday getting up at 4am to do the Disney Marathon vlady6us: thats not good. raven_hill_wench: I had the flu last week norajean_sf: http://www.norajean.com/DemoStuff/01-13to15-06-FaceSculpting/Prep.htm vlady6us: how did u do in the marathon? norajean_sf: For Lynn and Sandie lvmypolymerclay: yeah I ran 2 miles and got the flu....no medal...DH finished though bonsaikathy: NJ let us know when you're ready to go vlady6us: ty nj You have invited vlady6us to view your webcam. norajean_sf: Does everyone have my cam open and there's no questions before we start on the face grid? nndewbre: yes, no question norajean_sf: yes, no... LOL lvmypolymerclay: no questions here norajean_sf: maybe so posey4u: yes kewl go lvmypolymerclay: I got cam raven_hill_wench: good to go mazutwo: ok here everclay: I'm ready to learn nndewbre: yes can see cam, no questions melodyhill2000: fine norajean_sf: Now before I draw in the face grid I'm going to show you how to form the forehead and jaw line bonsaikathy: NJ shall we do a roll call before starting norajean_sf: good thinking, BK nndewbre: I got some of those clay shapers NJ and really like them norajean_sf: NoraJean, San Francisco vlady6us: sandie florida everclay: Eva, Denmark bonsaikathy: Kathy in E. TN lvmypolymerclay: lynn florida melodyhill2000: melody-missouri nndewbre: norma georgia posey4u: Marsha Clearfield Pa raven_hill_wench: Shawna, Detroit mazutwo: Marilyn Australia lvmypolymerclay: we're sure spread out tonight vlady6us: cool huh? everclay: sure are lvmypolymerclay: what time is it in austrailia norajean_sf: Ok, now what is the difference between a man's jaw and a woman's jaw? vlady6us: shape? vlady6us: size? lvmypolymerclay: hair norajean_sf: LOL bonsaikathy: man's jaw is more square, woman's is softer raven_hill_wench: a mans is square? norajean_sf: you're all correct, a man's jaw is actually larger, more square and sometimes hairy vlady6us: lol lvmypolymerclay: sometimes LOL norajean_sf: so before we draw a face grid for a man's face let's make a jaw that looks like it belongs to a man, Ok? bonsaikathy: NJ have you got 2 balls you could do each side by side mazutwo has left the conference. norajean_sf: oops lost Marilyn nndewbre: I was afriad to think what Kathy was going to ask there.... lvmypolymerclay: I was biting my tongue norajean_sf: I was going to say... LOL posey4u: oops just got that norajean_sf: So what I'm going to do is form the jaw line for a man with this One Ball, for now, we'll do a female face right afterward. bonsaikathy: :) bonsaikathy: NJ uses the clay smoother to push the face into shape minwin has joined the conference. You have invited minwin to view your webcam. raven_hill_wench: and she makes it look so easy >:P mazutwo has joined the conference. bonsaikathy: yes she always does You have invited mazutwo to view your webcam. everclay: wb marilyn bonsaikathy: wb norajean_sf: I was sending invite to Marilyn bonsaikathy: you should have seen her doing shady Sadie bonsaikathy: my favorite thing I've ever watched her sculpt norajean_sf: All we've done here is begin to form the jaw line for a male. bonsaikathy: she was awesome norajean_sf: look under the jaw norajean_sf: get the ends of the jaw line even by looking underneath bonsaikathy: good tip raven_hill_wench: how big is the ball of clay as compared to what size you want the finished face to be? norajean_sf: you'll see if they are not lined up better than looking right and then left norajean_sf: Good question norajean_sf: If you want a face for a one inch scale doll start out with a blank ball of clay that'll fit one inch scale norajean_sf: so you don't have a shrunken head on a large body raven_hill_wench: ok bonsaikathy: and vice versa norajean_sf: Because you're going to be moving bits of clay around the face, but the head will stay the same size nndewbre: you pinched that ball in the middle didn't you NJ? nndewbre: usde half of it for the neck? norajean_sf: I just pinched off a head's size ball to work with nndewbre: so should we start with a ball twice as big as we want it? norajean_sf: we can start out bigger if it's easier to practice the moves, yes. bonsaikathy: sh means to make the neck I think nndewbre: yes norajean_sf: trick about jaw bones norajean_sf: feel the end of your jaw and move your finger upward, it'll end up in your ear norajean_sf: see? norajean_sf: use the end of the jaw to line up the front of the ear norajean_sf: at the top of the end of the jaw bonsaikathy: folks, for those with a small default font, to make it easier for NJ to read your questions and the rest of us with old eyes too, could you please increase your font size a bit and possibly change the color so it's easier to read norajean_sf: where I poked just then, that's where the under side of the cheek bone will be norajean_sf: there's an indentation on the sides of the head, the temple norajean_sf: where we press with our fingers when we have a head ache norajean_sf: temples are even with the top of the ears, for the most part norajean_sf: if we put the indentation in now we are easing our way to the center of the face by mapping out the edges norajean_sf: Now I'll do a face grid to map out where the features are going to be bonsaikathy: one line up the center of the face, bottom to top bonsaikathy: one across where the eyes will go norajean_sf: under the eyes half way to the chin is the bottom of the nose norajean_sf: half way down from the bottom of the nose to the chin is the lower lip norajean_sf: now eyes are of a certain width, but they are often only one eye width apart norajean_sf: measure the width of your own eyes norajean_sf: see if the space between your own eyes are one eye width apart bonsaikathy: yup nndewbre: yup norajean_sf: So when mapping out the area of the eyes, we use the eye width apart for a measure nndewbre: yup nndewbre: my fonts won't stay fixed mazutwo: ok bonsaikathy: then don't worry about it nndewbre: OK norajean_sf: There are "V" shapes on the face, some are right side up and some are upside down, by putting in the "V" indentations now we start to mound the clay around the features. bonsaikathy: sometimes it can be a pill trying to change them on yahoo, I've had that happen, nndewbre: it says they're changed but it doesn't show up bonsaikathy: it's amazing how fast it looks like a face norajean_sf: http://www.norajean.com/DemoStuff/091005-FaceGrid.htm vlady6us: gotta go..time to pick up the kid. night all and ty nj vlady6us has left the conference. bonsaikathy: bye norajean_sf: The middle picture is the "V" shapes norajean_sf: the picture to the left is lining up the ear by using the jaw line norajean_sf: if you use the face grid and the V lines you'll get the rough draft of the face. norajean_sf: are there any questions at this point? nndewbre: no posey4u: no bonsaikathy: not yet melodyhill2000: got to go-thanks nj mazutwo: no norajean_sf: once we map out the face with the grid and the "V" shapes, roll the clay shaper over the mounds and start to form features, not by adding clay, but by moving clay. norajean_sf: See you Melody melodyhill2000 has left the conference. norajean_sf: I'll start rolling the clay shaper over the mounds to move the clay to where we need the features to be mazutwo: Those clay shapers are good for theis work . bonsaikathy: I forgot to ask you if this has a tin foil armature inside NJ, it's looking so pliable it doesn't look like it nndewbre: That's a problem, I like to work without the foil inside but I burn them bonsaikathy: tent the clay and it really does help and you can do like NJ does and do several curings instead of one long one nndewbre: I do tent but didn't know I could do several instead of one nndewbre: so if I just keep curing as I'm adding parts to the body the head will finally get done?? mazutwo: please explain doing several firings is it one the one part? bonsaikathy: we'll ask NJ that when she gets back here nndewbre: ok bonsaikathy: I'm not sure but it's a good question for her to answer bonsaikathy: do you use an oven thermometer nndewbre: yes bonsaikathy: ok nndewbre: oven very steady nndewbre: keeps it right on 275 bonsaikathy: good bonsaikathy: as she's pushing the clay around the eyes and nose are starting to take shape norajean_sf: That's what I call the "First Pass" norajean_sf: it is just to push clay into areas we need clay for features. greatauntjudy has joined the conference. everclay: Hi Judy You have invited greatauntjudy to view your webcam. norajean_sf: Howdy Aunt Jude norajean_sf: http://www.norajean.com/DemoStuff/091005-FaceGrid.htm bonsaikathy: NJ, could you read back and answer the question about multiple curings please greatauntjudy: Howdy! bonsaikathy: Hi Aunt Jude norajean_sf: scrolling up... greatauntjudy: Couldn't get your web cam, NJ. greatauntjudy: :( nndewbre: Hi Judy norajean_sf: I'll send you another invite, was the server busy? You have invited greatauntjudy to view your webcam. greatauntjudy: Yes. norajean_sf: we'll keep on trying greatauntjudy: There it is! Thanks. norajean_sf: About multiple curing norajean_sf: I've cured figures over and over, half hour at 260-275 norajean_sf: with no problem norajean_sf: Are you using an electric oven? nndewbre: I thought if I had a solid clay head I had to cure at least an hour, someone told me longer then that nefret111 has joined the conference. nndewbre: yes electric oven You have invited nefret111 to view your webcam. nefret111: thanks, kathy and nj!!! bonsaikathy: welcome norajean_sf: Norma, an hour is longer than I would cure clay norajean_sf: and most likely why it's burning norajean_sf: also here's a trick for electric ovens mazutwo: Nj could you please tell me what size clay shaper you are using norajean_sf: preheat the oven to the temperature suggested by the clay manufacturer, then put your clay in the oven, then turn the oven off, in the time the oven cools, the clay will be cured. This is something that I've had to do using electric ovens at friend's homes. everclay: also saves money nefret111: does this great trick work with toaster ovens, i hope?? norajean_sf: Marilyn, the smallest clay shaper is Zero size, and I use different sizes for different amounts of clay to be pushed around. Can't move an elephant with a broom. everclay: lol norajean_sf: I can't say for Toaster Ovens, they don't have the same sort of heat keeping ability nefret111: oh, that's right everclay: NJ are they rubber or silicone tipped? norajean_sf: rubber I think, but hey, they could be silicone and I've got no clue everclay: ok norajean_sf: the big black one is hard, the lighter ones are soft, look bonsaikathy: where did you get the black one everclay: then you can't tell me what you prefer mazutwo: That's good to know I was given one and it is huge everclay: black is rubber I think nefret111: i bake outside in a toaster oven, and it burns so quickly norajean_sf: It depends on what I need to do. If I'm moving round a bunch of clay and it's rough draft state, the black one is a bully bonsaikathy: use a thermometer norajean_sf: if I'm trying to get finger prints off of a sheet of clay on a tin the softer tip will do bonsaikathy: NJ where did you get that one norajean_sf: The black one I got at an art store, it's called a "Colour Shaper" and painters use it everclay: nefret - maybe your clay is too close to the element bonsaikathy: ok mazutwo: with the toaster oven I bring it to temperature and then shut it off it's a pain but i do this 3 times to get a piece baked without burning bonsaikathy: thanks norajean_sf: the smaller sizes I got from Karen at Clay Alley bonsaikathy: yes I got mine from her too bonsaikathy: but hadn't seen the large harder one nefret111: thanks, all everclay: I think you can get those at PCE norajean_sf: Since it's near the top of the hour I'm going to save log and y'all can chat while I do that. |
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