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Clay Techniques-04 Sept. 4, 2002: Animal Print Cane and Face Molds-1 |
auntyalias: Ok, who does not know how to make a face mold, or a mold in general? ac4lb: Meeee jakmiami: I've done molds but they have been fairly flat ones... auntyalias: Ok well first you got to have a cured face to start with auntyalias: but we won't make you have one right now auntyalias: I have Premo White there auntyalias: and I will condition it to press on that face auntyalias: when making a mold auntyalias: make a handle on the back of it auntyalias: makes your life easier that way ac4lb: got ya auntyalias: dust the cured face auntyalias: just like a donut with powdered sugar auntyalias: press raw clay on the cured face frogger70301: does it matter how deep? ac4lb: can't be any undercuts ac4lb: I do know that much auntyalias: fill in the nostrils jakmiami: what about an open mouth? auntyalias: you can remove that clay auntyalias: do the faces without expression auntyalias: add smiles after auntyalias: I'll put this in the oven right now ac4lb: ok auntyalias: in one half hour we'll make an impression from this ac4lb: that's the part I want to see auntyalias: and a half hour goes quickly here for I will do the lining of the mold with animal print while we wait auntyalias: ok? auntyalias: off to the kitchen buci131: Okay. frogger70301: brb-laundry calls jakmiami: well, I got some pics...the quality isn't great, but it's better than nothing buci131: How do we save this? Just cut and save? buci131: I mean copy and save? auntyalias: highlight, copy and paste in something auntyalias: word doc auntyalias: or email buci131: I'll have to email cause I don't have Word on my computer right now. auntyalias: ok, so I sliced some leopard cane and mashed it flat auntyalias: and warmed it up so it'll be flexible auntyalias: I dust the inside of the mold, but before laying the cane slice in there auntyalias: I'll stretch out where the nose will be auntyalias: and when I lay the cane slice in there auntyalias: I make sure that stretched out nose bit gets in the nose impression auntyalias: or it tends to goof up auntyalias: are we ready? frogger70301: yup buci131: Yes ac4lb: yes Maam buci131: She's dusting the mold we're using? buci131: Did she make little indents where the eyes go, too? auntyalias: ok, so I stretched the clay auntyalias: a bit for the nose indentation auntyalias: that's the only real problem area auntyalias: that gets messed up auntyalias: when putting in cane in face molds auntyalias: this mold has a cleft chin auntyalias: so I'm going to smooth the clay into that nose and chin area auntyalias: and get the secure buci131: Yep, I had that problem on my cat mold. auntyalias: before using filler clay buci131: You used a pretty thick slice of cane ac4lb: it's looks like the widest setting on the pasta machine auntyalias: any questions up to this point? buci131: That's one way I was doing it wrong--I was using thin slices auntyalias: too thin they tear ac4lb: did you poke the eyes through buci131: No questions. Can we get a pic of this? auntyalias: too thick you might not be able to fill in the mold indentations auntyalias: eyes always come last Kathy auntyalias: always jakmiami: pics done auntyalias: I'll show you eyes on this in a tick auntyalias: ok, so we thinned out the cane slice but not too much ac4lb: ok I was just wondering because it looked like holes in the clay buci131: Oh, that makes sense. The other thing I was doing wrong was not always warming up the cane first--had breaks when I tried to fill in the mold. buci131: Thanks for the pics auntyalias: it might look like holes, but it might just be the black part of the clay auntyalias: I used baby powder ac4lb: maybe auntyalias: I find that corn starch can work auntyalias: but I don't like how it clumps up auntyalias: and that it is difficult to spread out evenly auntyalias: it's ok in a pinch auntyalias: but I just use generic baby powder auntyalias: now I will fill in the mold with clay of similar color, I use screwed up Natasha beads I don't like auntyalias: so I can get a pointy end auntyalias: to go in the nose and chin area first buci131: Heehee, I've got plenty of baby powder around here auntyalias: filler for the chin auntyalias: now to fill up that nose buci131: Okay, can we get another pic soon--this is another part I was doing wrong on filling my molds jakmiami: yeah, i'm doing 'em as she goes auntyalias: this is how you fill in the nose area to make sure it's all filled in before the rest of the mold buci131: I tried to do it with one big piece of clay--can't fill in the smaller parts that way. ac4lb: she's filled in the whole thing ac4lb: and tamped it in good auntyalias: now to get this out of the mold, make a handle with clay on the back, easier and you don't goof up the face auntyalias: LOL auntyalias: the clay is too warm auntyalias: and too new auntyalias: it's not cooperating auntyalias: I'll not be delicate then ac4lb: that's probably my problem most the time auntyalias: ok a little jiggling and it got out buci131: Ooh that looks great! auntyalias: Now I cut off that handle auntyalias: now are we ready for eyes? buci131: What did you put on the back? auntyalias: I'll have to change the camera angle to do eyes buci131: Or is it just leaning on something? ac4lb: can we take a quick potty break auntyalias: I just stuck it on some stray zebra auntyalias: good time for a potty break buci131: Okay, thanks ac4lb: it looks cool auntyalias: good time to save and get pix too auntyalias: Smoke em if you got em auntyalias: brb buci131: I did a save--I'm going to see if it worked. jakmiami: I've got pix. The tricky part is what to do with them afterwards... buci131: Suz (I think) did this last time so she or NJ would be the ones to ask. ac4lb: how do we save the pics jakmiami: the file is already 2.7 MB so I don't know how to get it to you. buci131: I'm not sure myself, even about the text, really. I'm just going to put it in an email for NJ or Denise unless she needs more done with it. buci131: Let's ask NJ when she gets back. auntyalias: back auntyalias: what's up? auntyalias: Save it as text buci131: We're not sure what to do with the pics. jakmiami: I think I may have to put them in separate files because I can't email an attachment greater than 2MB as far as I know. auntyalias: to save it with colored fonts and gift eats space I found last night when I was making pages auntyalias: for the pictures what I do auntyalias: is change my password to my epson account auntyalias: you can load them up there like Syl did auntyalias: and then tell me when you're done buci131: Do I just email the text directly to you? auntyalias: and then I change the password back auntyalias: ya, just email the text to me auntyalias: but I noticed last night auntyalias: that text alone takes less space buci131: Cool. Do you need me to do anything with it first. jakmiami: I'll have to find out how Syl did that. I'm just grabbing screenshots and saving them to a file. auntyalias: and the logs with the colored fonts and gifs eats up space auntyalias: Ask Syl, I think she did screen shots and cropped them jakmiami: Will do. buci131: Besides removing color fonts etc. auntyalias: for their edges were slightly different one pix to the next auntyalias: If you save the log as a text file it'll strip everything but text auntyalias: that's best also the rainbow text users auntyalias: it make reading difficult on the web page buci131: I noticed that with the rainbow text. auntyalias: that's why I took the marble background off buci131: Okay, I'll see what I can figure out with it. auntyalias: so it can be read, but still it is difficult to see auntyalias: Ok, you're saving it in an email auntyalias: which keeps all the html auntyalias: send it through the list auntyalias: when it gets to me it'll be text buci131: Okay auntyalias: because I turned the html thing off of my incoming mail auntyalias: that'll work auntyalias: also that will allow the list to read the logs before I get the pages made buci131: Cool auntyalias: which always has a little delay time auntyalias: let me check the timer on that mold in the oven auntyalias: brb auntyalias: 5 minutes auntyalias: I get itchy at 5 minutes and counting auntyalias: my timer always goes off when I'm there auntyalias: and I still get startled auntyalias: LOL auntyalias: brrrrrinnnng EEEP auntyalias: So let me change the camera angle for these eyeballs buci131: Take your time, please--I'm figuring out saving this text real quick. buci131: Got it--saved it in txt on my Notepad. I can still email it through the list for peoples. buci131: It looks like the face still has a little excess clay around the sides. auntyalias: ya, it's not trimmed yet auntyalias: but I'm thinking that a face that isn't so dark auntyalias: would be a better candidate auntyalias: for eyeballs ac4lb: easier to see auntyalias: let me get the mold out of the oven and I'll make a lighter face real quick for the eyes, ok? buci131: Okay ac4lb: ok auntyalias: that will be easier to see ac4lb: yes auntyalias: ok, what do you see? auntyalias: a mold or an impression? buci131: of what? auntyalias: does that go inward auntyalias: or does it come outward auntyalias: what you see right now? ac4lb: looks outward buci131: Comes out, right? auntyalias: Mitch? auntyalias: it's Jinny, right? auntyalias: I still don't have people's Yahoo ID's memorized buci131: Mitch mentioned something about laundry about 20 min ago auntyalias: I want them to say what they see before I say anything auntyalias: ok buci131: She hasn't posted anyting since then auntyalias: well... it's the mold impression we made and cured, and it is REALLY going inward auntyalias: trick of the eye jakmiami: Judith here. I see a face -- looks outward auntyalias: but a lesson and a big fat assed trick ac4lb: wow auntyalias: Judith, thank you sorry for not knowing your name auntyalias: now why this is a fat assed trick auntyalias: is this is what you will see when you do molds and check them in a MIRROR auntyalias: to see if your mold impression is what you intended frogger70301: sorry, was fussing with the kids about the toys they have out. auntyalias: take a picture ac4lb: very impressive auntyalias: Mitch auntyalias: do you see a face going out from the clay auntyalias: or going in? jakmiami: got the pix frogger70301: looks like it's going out. auntyalias: it's the mold we made auntyalias: now watch this buci131: In other words, this is the mold you just made but seen in a mirror? buci131: Never mind buci131: That is too weird. auntyalias: this is what you'll see auntyalias: if you turn your molds to a mirror frogger70301: Wow. auntyalias: it's how I check to see if my molds are alright auntyalias: back of mold buci131: Boy, that's a seriously good tip to know about auntyalias: I told you it was a fat assed tip auntyalias: ok, let's make an impression of this mold, ok? ac4lb: it's amazing ac4lb: ok lindaslists joined the room auntyalias: ask Linda what she sees buci131: Linda what do you see? ac4lb: linda does the face in the pic look in or out to you buci131: NJ can you move the mold more to the left of screen and down a bit? lindaslists: looks like the face from the mars landscape in the movies not to long ago. Can'r remember the name auntyalias: Linda, this is a trick of the eye auntyalias: this is a mold impression, the face is going inward auntyalias: not coming outward auntyalias: it's how we test our molds lindaslists: wow auntyalias: by holding them up to a mirror auntyalias: or in this case auntyalias: see it on camera auntyalias: now I'll make an impression from this mold lindaslists: holy cow buci131: That's is too wild ac4lb: hard to tell the differance between the two auntyalias: ok, I'll take questions now auntyalias: before we do eyes auntyalias: the impression is rough and messy, but it's just for show frogger70301: Is that your Kai face mold? auntyalias: Xev lindaslists: I need to make a face mold sometime buci131: I need to make a face sometime auntyalias: that's the Kai face mold lindaslists: beautiful frogger70301: would you fill in the nose holes when you take a mold from that one? ac4lb: yes she did auntyalias: I don't do as I ask others to do frogger70301: ok, thanks. merrie60us joined the room auntyalias: for I know how to jiggle out the clay auntyalias: and fix the nose auntyalias: oh Let's Ask Merrie what she sees auntyalias: it's such a trippy effect auntyalias: Marrie, do you see yet? auntyalias: Merrie I mean auntyalias: LOL merrie60us: Hi I see a face sideways it is actually very awesome I like the finish auntyalias: Merrie, what do you see? Do you see a face coming out or going into clay? auntyalias: do you see it coming out at you or going into clay? merrie60us: Nose is alittle too up in air towards eyes auntyalias: it's a mold merrie60us: coming out at me auntyalias: the clay is going INWARD auntyalias: watch merrie60us: interesteing merrie60us: so what I am looking at is not clay? buci131: It is buci131: It's a mold buci131: Made from clay ac4lb: I'm going to flip if NJ gets to the eyes and this stupid phone line goes out because of the storm merrie60us: what is the whitish part and what is the copper part auntyalias: The trick here Merrie auntyalias: is when you want to check your mold auntyalias: to see if your impression is what you expected auntyalias: turn your mold to a mirror auntyalias: and it looks like it's coming out and not going into the clay auntyalias: the whitish stuff is baby powder from using it earlier merrie60us: You are a genius what a great idea auntyalias: it was shown to me honey I'm just sharing what I learned elsewhere auntyalias: now we'll do eyes merrie60us: I have a questions when you put the clay in the mold to you fill the mold all the way and then level it? ac4lb: take lot's of pics for me here, it's really storming here and earlier I got kicked off several times auntyalias: are we ready? merrie60us: yes ac4lb: yes buci131: yes merrie60us: are we supposed to be writing what we see as per the post earlier on MSCAT ac4lb: yes merrie60us: wow look at the eyes NJ used a tool to outline them merrie60us: put white oval shape in socket merrie60us: now other socket merrie60us: now using tool to shape and press in on edges buci131: She's making indents for the pupils ac4lb: poked hole in center frogger70301: You guys, I gotta go. These kids are about to kill each other. frogger70301 left the room buci131: Is that black that she just put in the indents? merrie60us: now placing round ball of clay in pupil area merrie60us: then using tool to press in and shape merrie60us: yes buci131: One pupil looks bigger than the other. ac4lb: may be the angle buci131: Maybe it's just the angle merrie60us: both pupils are sort of in slightly different places like the face is looking at something buci131: Looking to it's right, maybe? buci131: Oh, she just used a small oval of snake for theupper lid ac4lb: ok now the upper eye lid buci131: correction--small oval snake for the upper lid merrie60us: upper lid covers the white part slightly merrie60us: now next eye and attaching with tool merrie60us: slightly raised merrie60us: Now she is doing same to lower lids merrie60us: and outline with tool? auntyalias: so that's the quick and messy way, you'll take more care for you'll have more time buci131: That's great! merrie60us: wow ac4lb: thanks, I have a much better idea now how tod ot it merrie60us: shaping chin with fingers and tools ac4lb: sorry to do it auntyalias: that's one way to do eyes auntyalias: there's other ways but this is the quickest buci131: What did you use for the pupils? An eye cane? auntyalias: just black for this one for it's so small merrie60us: Did you make the original mold for this face teri56 joined the room buci131: Do you ever use eye canes for a face this small? buci131: Hey Teri! jakmiami: So when we do the mold, we need to fill out the eyes as well as the nostrils and mouth? ac4lb: Hi Teri teri56: hi guys auntyalias: Hi Teri merrie60us: is the back of the mold flat auntyalias: Eva, with faces this small to use the eyeball cane you end up reducing it to the point where all the cane work is not seen anymore auntyalias: for larger faces I'll use the eyeball cane auntyalias: then folks can see the iris buci131: Oh, cool. ac4lb: That's what happened to my eye canes buci131: So you can just use whatever color you want the eyes to be or is black the best that you've found? auntyalias: it depends, sometimes the eyes are golden auntyalias: with red lines instead of pupils buci131: Red lines? buci131: You mean, like cat's eyes? buci131: Instead of pearl, you used gold for the eyeball and green for the pupil? buci131: On the mermaid? auntyalias: it depends on the face, what's the sculpture auntyalias: there's no limitation auntyalias: really auntyalias: what I want to show next buci131: Okay. auntyalias: is to take this expressionless face auntyalias: and make it have emotions buci131: She looks like she is using a dental spatula to make the mouth open a little and give it a smile. buci131: And now a shaper to smooth, I guess teri56: op098ig teri56: whups, sorry teri56: cat walked on the keyboard lindaslists: O thought it was the product number for the dental tool - LOL merrie60us: using some type of tool to shape lower lip merrie60us: shaping under noes merrie60us: oops nose buci131: Laugh lines on the outer corners of the eyes now merrie60us: looks like flat wooden spoon in mouth merrie60us: shaping eyes a little more auntyalias: he has a bit of red by his mouth, messy tools auntyalias: but you get the idea auntyalias: when you have one face sculpted buci131: That's amazing auntyalias: have it be expressionless auntyalias: then you can make it have the emotions you need with a couple of strokes merrie60us: did you sculpt the cheekbones? merrie60us: couldn't see we;; merrie60us: oops well buci131: I can see the need to examine your face in the mirror to see how the muscles move for diff expressions. buci131: Is this a diff face? buci131: Oh, never mind--no eyes buci131: She's turning everything down--eyes, mouth, etc. with her fingers to make him look sad merrie60us: showing muscles or rather sculpting highlighting muscle in face auntyalias: same mold impression buci131: Is that from the same mold? auntyalias: the expressionless face auntyalias: turn the mouth up buci131: That is too wild auntyalias: push the cheekbones up auntyalias: and it'll look happy auntyalias: turn the mouth down auntyalias: pull the eyebrown down auntyalias: pout the lower lip auntyalias: you have a sad face auntyalias: an expressionless face with half lidded eyes auntyalias: is someone who thinks they are too cool auntyalias: to smile auntyalias: or look amazed jakmiami: I'm going to need to go soon...can someone take over the pix gathering? auntyalias: pull all the muscles auntyalias: and squint the eyes auntyalias: and you have a stressed face auntyalias: but it all starts out with that one expressionless face auntyalias: that you make a mold of auntyalias: and from that mold auntyalias: you make a number of faces that have no emotion auntyalias: and then you add emotion with a few moves auntyalias: makes sculpting easier auntyalias: ok auntyalias: I'm done auntyalias: LOL jakmiami: hmmm, sounds like my next project! teri56: amazing! merrie60us: thank you I have to go fix dinner are you doing anything later on this pm auntyalias: I'll be doing this again tonight merrie60us: what time jakmiami: one thing, on the mold, do you need to mask the eyes as well as the mouth and nostrils? auntyalias: after supper... buci131: So, when you're doing a head, do you make several heads? buci131: To get your expressions right? auntyalias: as you see from this mold merrie60us: I am on east coast you are on west coast? so about 10 pm my time? auntyalias: I don't fill in the nostrils auntyalias: about that Merrie merrie60us: thanks bye auntyalias: but I will ask the new clayers merrie60us left the room auntyalias: to fill in the nostrils auntyalias: until you get removing the face from the mold down pat auntyalias: it's a jiggling trick auntyalias: that comes from practice auntyalias: Teri, did you see this auntyalias: it's a mold and not an impression of a mold auntyalias: trick of the eye jakmiami: so if i've got it right, we should be taking the molds before we finish the original sculpture...? teri56: that is soo neat, the way that works! buci131: Yes, she mentioned that before. auntyalias: when you finish your first face auntyalias: take a mold auntyalias: but dig auntyalias: I take molds as I sculpt auntyalias: let me get you the url auntyalias: that way when I get the shape right I make a mold, do an impression auntyalias: then work on the chin auntyalias: cure, make a mold and make an impression auntyalias: go on all the way up the face auntyalias: before the first face is done I'll have done 4-6 molds along the way auntyalias: incremental mold use for face sculpting auntyalias: I'll get the link now jakmiami: ah ha! buci131: So for doing the whole heads, do you make the whole head or just faces to put on the blank head? auntyalias: Kai-Iterations auntyalias: Again, Eva, it depends auntyalias: if I'm making another Kai Doll auntyalias: I'll use my Cowboy Kai face mold auntyalias: and slap that face on a blank head ball on a stick auntyalias: and then smooth it and get it right and then add it to the body auntyalias: by using the skewer as a spine buci131: Cool. I thought that might work, especially if you're trying to get a good expression on the face. So you don't have to make a bunch of heads. auntyalias: Just have a bunch of molds auntyalias: of one face you sculpted auntyalias: that's why I wanted folks to sculpt one face but have it have no expression of emotion auntyalias: we'll add that emotion on our raw clay impressions of the mold that one face makes auntyalias: see? auntyalias: I got to go peeeeee, brb buci131: Yes, that's a great way of doing it jakmiami: clever! Got to go now. jakmiami left the room buci131: Okay, I promised my hubby I would at least eat supper with him, so I've gotta go. buci131: Thanks NJ for the demos! Great stuff. You know those logs are going to be getting quite a few hits with all the info in them. ac4lb: how do you get all the air bubbles out of the blinkety blink blank pen buci131: I'll email what I've saved to this point. Someone else will need to take over for me though, if anything else goes on. auntyalias: back buci131: And Judith was saving the screen shots, so someone will need to do those. auntyalias: my teeth were floating auntyalias: LOL ac4lb: mine were a little while ago buci131: Heehee. Judith left and I've got to go have supper with my hubby. I'll email the log to this point to you. buci131: Later all. auntyalias: Stanley H. Tweedle face mold auntyalias: he has powder stuck in the indentations there buci131 left the room lindaslists left the room auntyalias: Looks like it's supper time for folks auntyalias: I got to get supper going too auntyalias: I'll be back in a couple of hours ac4lb: ok auntyalias: Kathy ac4lb: yes auntyalias: did you get all you needed, I know you go to sleep early auntyalias: and you have thunderstorms auntyalias: and all auntyalias: you're ok with any of this ac4lb: yes I have a much better idea now auntyalias: sure now? ac4lb: I'll be up later tonight, gary is working late auntyalias: Ok, I'll be back in a couple of hours auntyalias: got to check the list, do some webwork and get supper going ac4lb: yes now i'm trying to cover a pen and having a dickens of a time with air bubbles ac4lb: see in a few auntyalias: okie dokie auntyalias: See you later Teri? |