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Face Sculpting Index - Friday Demo - Log 4 - Female face
norajean_sf: I best save log, brb
beadyeyedbrat: The role of tragus is generally believed as vertical sound localization.
spksgntly2: getting more done beady?
mazutwo: what is being pierced/ i had pierced ears once but they grew over and I am too chicken to have them done again. my earrings (dozens 0languish in a draw
beadyeyedbrat: Not much
nefret111: great, kim
mazutwo: who is tragus
spksgntly2: what is vertical sound?
beadyeyedbrat: The flap in front of your ear
beadyeyedbrat: Good question. I have no clue vertical or horizontal.
spksgntly2: never knew there was a difference
mazutwo: what you learn when having fun
beadyeyedbrat: Long drawn-out explanation.
spksgntly2: how true
beadyeyedbrat: Has to do with what comes straight to the ear and what is reflected sound.
norajean_sf: shall we have a wee break, it's the half hour.
beadyeyedbrat: kewl. I need coffee
norajean_sf: folks can go potty, get more coffee, etc?
mazutwo: really and here I thought sound was well just sound
everclay: I think I'll get to bed
everclay: even though I hate to leave
norajean_sf: Ok, see you tomorrow?
nefret111: great to see you, eva
norajean_sf: we'll be doing the same thing over and over all week end
nefret111: nighty night
spksgntly2: i know its 11 30 here
bonsaikathy: and I hate to leave too but I've got to hit the hay
everclay: I'll try to be there
spksgntly2: but i dont have to work
bonsaikathy: NJ thanks for waiting to do the ears
bonsaikathy: I appreciate it
norajean_sf: that's why I will repeat this over and over this week end
bonsaikathy: and everything you do
everclay: thaks for the demo, NJ
norajean_sf: Love you too Ladies
everclay: it was great
bonsaikathy: I'll be back tomorrow evening but very in and out
mazutwo: I am still here
everclay: NJ what time tomorrow
norajean_sf: Noon PST, +8 GMT
bonsaikathy: we have a group of teeny boppers coming to fill the hotel
bonsaikathy: so take care all and night
norajean_sf: eeek Teens at the hotel
spksgntly2: good night
nefret111: nighty, kathy
everclay: I might not be able to attend but will try
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norajean_sf: my pleasure
everclay: bye for now gals
everclay: good night
spksgntly2: night ever
norajean_sf: bye bye
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norajean_sf: Howdy Denise
dahs512: Hi NJ!
spksgntly2: are you doing more nora?
norajean_sf: we're going to do a female face but are on break at present
nndewbre: Hi Denise
spksgntly2: ok then brb
norajean_sf: yes, a female face in a bit, folks are getting coffee and going to the loo
dahs512: cool, I jusyt got in and am looking forward to it
mazutwo: I am going to find some clay to mash
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dahs512: Lemme go grab a java too
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bluebell5071: hey everybody
norajean_sf: we're on break before doing a female face
nndewbre: it's really hard to mash clay and watch NJ at the same time
nndewbre: think I'll get some hot chocolate brb
beadyeyedbrat: easy to condition clay but not to type and condition clay?
norajean_sf: I'm going to get some coffee too, brb
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spksgntly2: Im back
spksgntly2: oh good...she didnt start yet
norajean_sf: shall we do roll call?
norajean_sf: NoraJean, San Francisco
beadyeyedbrat: Kim Sandy Eggo, CA
bluebell5071: Shirley, Mississippi
pcajenny: Jenny Pat NW Minnesota
posey4u: Marsha Clearfield,Pa
greatauntjudy: <--jude, Tehachapi, CA
norajean_sf: this way we can see who's still AFK
norajean_sf: for those who have not seen the prep page
nndewbre: back, Norma, Georgia
nndewbre: Now I get to see how girls are done!!!
dahs512: Denise in Texas
norajean_sf: those who've seen the face grid for the man can explain to those who just came what's going on, ok?
norajean_sf: the difference between men's faces and women's faces is mainly the jaw line and forehead
spksgntly2: I missed the beginning of the guy face
norajean_sf: and women's faces are usually a bit smaller
dahs512: I haven't seen this particular grid
dahs512: But I can tell you the markings I bet
norajean_sf: it's on this page
dahs512: A division from top to bottom to halve the face
mazutwo: I am back
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nndewbre: We need some Kotter music for when we all start wb, wb, wbaaaccckkk
dahs512: Then a line across midway between the chin and top of the head
dahs512: This line will be where the eyes rest
dahs512: Halfway between the eye line and the chin goes a line for the bottom of the nose
dahs512: Then half of that distance is the mouth.
dahs512: The v shapes are the markings that NJ uses to mark certain features on the face
dahs512: She will push clay from these areas into the areas that need building up.
dahs512: Has anyone here seen her do this before?
nndewbre: yes, I saw her do it a little while ago to the man....<g>
dahs512: I'm wondering if I said it right?
beadyeyedbrat: I saw the last part of the male face.
spksgntly2: sounded right to me
posey4u: me too
mazutwo: said well
posey4u: that doesnt mean Ill be able to do it that way
spksgntly2: lol true
dahs512: Tell me what you picked up, if you don't mind.
spksgntly2: me either
mazutwo: so true
nndewbre: she marks off the face and then starts kinda pushing the clay into and out of the areas that she needs to. <g>
dahs512: The lips are a weak spot in sculpting for me.
beadyeyedbrat: The face is a weak spot for me.
mazutwo: how to make wrinkles how to push clay around to make face contours lips eyes ears and placement of them
nndewbre: NJ does them great. I have been having trouble with the lips too and I watched her a while ago, grabbed a piece of clay and got lips I like.
dahs512: She does make it look easy
spksgntly2: and that Nj can whip up a face in 10 min
nndewbre: but not female lips
nndewbre: I can't get female lips
dahs512: What is the difference in a male face and a female face?
spksgntly2: the forehead isnt as pronounced
spksgntly2: and the jaw is softer
dahs512: Aaah, the brow?
spksgntly2: did I win????
dahs512: The jaw in the back
spksgntly2: wel the chin area
dahs512: I'm asking because it has been awhile for me
mazutwo: one is squarer man one is softer woman
mazutwo: me too over 15 years
dahs512: I've started lots of faces, but only a few have finished
posey4u: WE ARE WOMAN>>>HEAR US ROAR LOL
nndewbre: no fair NJ, she already looks female
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norajean_sf: Jael is in da house
beadyeyedbrat: I've had exactly one sculpting lesson and that was with Dawn Schiller.
beadyeyedbrat: Hi Jael
icare4bunnies: I'll try to behave.
beadyeyedbrat: If you do, I have to.
dahs512: I know a few of the names here...heheh
mazutwo: I don't know anybody
beadyeyedbrat: Dawn does awesome work, but they are all fantasy.
dahs512: The chin is something I tend to have to redo a lot. I end up mushing it around by accident
dahs512: Mazuto, I am Denise
icare4bunnies: did nj start with a lump of clay or is she doing it over an armature
mazutwo: note how Nj holds it at the neck
dahs512: I didn't see an armature, but realize how small her head is
dahs512: My hot hand would be mushing it already
beadyeyedbrat: Mine too
icare4bunnies: I've had so much trouble with cracking clay lately
mazutwo: hi denise I am Marilyn from Australia
dahs512: I remember that Jael.
icare4bunnies: you could dip your hands in ice water from time to time.
mazutwo: sorry Denise I am a bad typer
dahs512: Nice to meet you Marilyn
spksgntly2: debbie from ny
icare4bunnies: hi marilyn
icare4bunnies: Jael from IL
mazutwo: hi Jael love the name
norajean_sf: Her nose made me crazy
dahs512: I found that putting the head on a skewer helps me
norajean_sf: I'm going to do her again
dahs512: NJ, you are so bad....lol
nndewbre: what happened?
beadyeyedbrat: But how do you get it off without smushing?
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spksgntly2: I know a few heads I'd like on a skewer
dahs512: I don't know yet Kim...heheh
icare4bunnies: I have no idea why my clay is cracking, and I would hate to do all that work on a head and have it crack
nndewbre: good, I missed that mouth awhile ago
icare4bunnies: nj how do you keep it from becoming a linty mess?
mazutwo: si laughed and choked on my drink
dahs512: Jael, do you let your work cool in the oven as it cools down?
dahs512: I put plastic on it until I get to it again
beadyeyedbrat: Does it crack while you work with it or after you cure it?
icare4bunnies: Oh, mine starts with lint as soon as I work on it
icare4bunnies: in the oven
beadyeyedbrat: What clay?
dahs512: Sometimes if a piece isnot baked thouroughly and then quickly cooled the outside will crack
icare4bunnies: only occasionally. both fimo and premo. and I bake for 40 min to an hour.
beadyeyedbrat: The only time I've had with cracking was when I used some scrap clay for the center.
dahs512: NJ never seems to have any cracks
icare4bunnies: regardless of bead size. I have the worst problem with some of the metallic clays.
beadyeyedbrat: My scrap can contain every possible brand of clay available and a few that have been discontinued.
dahs512: On the lint subject - important new tip......wear white
icare4bunnies: but it doesn't always happen
dahs512: and nothing fuzzy
spksgntly2: ok time for me to go to bed...my granddaughter will be up early
icare4bunnies: LOL my house is made of lint
spksgntly2: good night everyone...
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beadyeyedbrat: My tip for not getting fuzzy clay has been to stop putting it in the same tote bag as my knitting.
dahs512: good tip...heheh
posey4u: good idea
icare4bunnies: it's just the light clay I have problems with, which is what nj is using
icare4bunnies: I'd have to paint my faces
beadyeyedbrat: You might try turning off your oven and letting it cool gradually.
dahs512: I'm gonna start a list of questions to ask NJ, so I'll be right back
posey4u: I know do the claying in the nude,that way theres no lint from the clothes
beadyeyedbrat: Just leave it in there
beadyeyedbrat: The oooonly way to clay
icare4bunnies: looks like most of nj's scupting is done with a tool
icare4bunnies: the same toole
posey4u: sounds like a plan to me
icare4bunnies: that might help with the lint
dahs512: nude claying - too visual - I just spewed coffee
posey4u: only a suggestion
icare4bunnies: I'm cold with a t shirt on right now
mazutwo: pearls not too under dressed here
beadyeyedbrat: So I shouldn't tell you about the class I taught at the noodist resort?
mazutwo: why not
posey4u: its not to bad here around 38
dahs512: I think Nj is going to like her nose this time...notice the wider areat the nostrils
beadyeyedbrat: Bout 58 here
creationsbypat: What do you guys know about the pm "Atlas Motor" is it a good machine and motor?
icare4bunnies: I guess you have to make sure you sculpt the nose with enough clay to make nostrils
nefret111: bak - but gotta go - thanks so much nora jean and all! nighty night!
posey4u: is that why she squished the face before...she didnt like the nose
beadyeyedbrat: Easier to remove than add
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beadyeyedbrat: Yes it is
dahs512: She put the nostrils in with hust a couple of pokes. It takes me forever
creationsbypat: Kim is that my answer? yes
beadyeyedbrat: Most people who really ike their pasta machines have Atlases.
beadyeyedbrat: At least the ones I have talked to about it.
mazutwo: I have an el cheapo and it is ok but I don't do a lot of claying yet
creationsbypat: ah ok, it's birthday time and I have ordered one just got it today, how noisy should it be?
beadyeyedbrat: If you get into it seriously, you will eventually want a heavier duty reliable one.
beadyeyedbrat: They're pretty noisy.
beadyeyedbrat: Jennifer is prolly the one to ask about that.
mazutwo: the Atlas had only arrived in Aus about July last year
beadyeyedbrat: But folks are raving about the new one by Makins
beadyeyedbrat: I have 4 pms.
creationsbypat: ok that's a relief. What is a heavy duty one?
beadyeyedbrat: No motors yet
mazutwo: ok sounds good
posey4u: I have one ordered
beadyeyedbrat: The Atlas 150?? I think?
pcajenny: KIM! who you callin "Jennifer" ?????
beadyeyedbrat: Sorry Jen
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pcajenny: only people who don't know me call me that!
beadyeyedbrat: I don't know how well the rest of the bunch know you.
dahs512: I just thought about the cracking issue. 40 minutes is probably not long enough to bake a head
beadyeyedbrat: How thick?
pcajenny: my pasta machine is an atlas, and it is almost 14 years old and still going strong
beadyeyedbrat: It should be 15 min per 1/4"
pcajenny: and I use it a LOT
dahs512: even the size NJ is doing
creationsbypat: wow yes I know you do Jenny
posey4u: do you have a motor Jen
pcajenny: it was well worth the price
beadyeyedbrat: So if it's 1" at the thickest, an hour.
pcajenny: yes I do
beadyeyedbrat: Maybe longer just to be sure.
creationsbypat: which one do you have Jenny?
posey4u: is it noisy
beadyeyedbrat: So if the outer clay cools first...
nndewbre: that's not the way NJ is telling us to do it.
dahs512: I've never overbaked. As long as the temp is correct.
pcajenny: the silver one by Marcato
nndewbre: She's pretty NJ
pcajenny: the noise doesn't bother me, but I know it would bother some people
creationsbypat: is the motor cover plastic or metal?
beadyeyedbrat: I bake almost everything for 1 hr.
dahs512: I'll add that to the questions
nndewbre: Mine burns at 1 hour
posey4u: the old ones are plastic I think..the newer oness are metal
pcajenny: it's chrome colored plastic!
beadyeyedbrat: Burns? Does your oven spike?
nndewbre: what kind of clay do you use?
dahs512: Your tyemp is either to high or your oven might fluctuate a lot - like spike the temp when it is heating?
beadyeyedbrat: All of it.
norajean_sf: well she's a she
dahs512: Looks good NJ
beadyeyedbrat: Fimo, Kato, Premo, Promat, Granitex
creationsbypat: well that is the same one I got, then I should be ok, no more aching tendonitis in the elbow!
dahs512: \We have questions, if you have a minute
norajean_sf: I'll take questions now
beadyeyedbrat: Everything but the Sculpeys
norajean_sf: who had questions about face sculpting?
dahs512: How do you keep the lint off....what are you wearing----or are you nude...lol
norajean_sf: all my clothes are too old to have lint
posey4u: ya NJ..how do you keep the lint off
dahs512: How do you decide the nostrils
norajean_sf: When I'm working on a whole body I do wrap the parts that I'm not working on in waxed paper to keep it clean, uncovering only that part I'm working on.
nndewbre: Beady I think the sculpy's is my problem
norajean_sf: The nose sort of takes on a life of it's own most of the time. I do the outside of the nostrils before poking holes, when I poke the holes I pull side ways to accentuate the outside of the nostrils.
nndewbre: are my problem, whatever
dahs512: Do you like this nose better? And why
norajean_sf: after the first cure we can file and remove excess clay.
norajean_sf: the other nose had no clay for the sides of the nostrils.
norajean_sf: Like a bad nose job aka Michael Jackson
norajean_sf: pinchy nose
dahs512: I see
nndewbre: so why couldn't you just add a pinch of clay rather then start over?
dahs512: When you bake, how long? and how do you keep it from cracking?
norajean_sf: the position I have to be in to sculpt on cam makes it harder for me to get a face right. I've been practicing all week and the faces came out better, but I was practicing without hunching over a cam set up.
norajean_sf: I cure all clay at the same length of time. When I'm doing a head like this there's not a lot of clay involved, there's usually an aluminum skull
norajean_sf: and one layer of clay to cover, another layer of clay for features.
norajean_sf: so a half hour is enough, none of my figures get away with one curing though
norajean_sf: I'll sculpt as close as I can get, cure and then file the face to make adjustments. Who has seen the Lady with the Pot?
norajean_sf: I must have done her mouth a half a dozen times.
dahs512: Show again please
norajean_sf: I'll get the link.
dahs512: I thought she was there
norajean_sf: she was sculpted and then filed, raw clay put over the filed parts, cured again, filed again.
norajean_sf: in the repeated curings her clothing didn't burn
dahs512: I thought you had said the lady in the pot...lol
norajean_sf: her skin didn't discolor
dahs512: I remember her
norajean_sf: here I show how I put on raw clay for another mouth after I filed off the mouth she had because I wasn't pleased with it.
dahs512: ok, what movie was that...matrix?
norajean_sf: Ya, how can you make a call when you cannot speak?
dahs512: The missing mouth
norajean_sf: I have an older section about filing faces.
beadyeyedbrat: My back is killing me. I'll be watching, but gotta lie down.
norajean_sf: it's when I discovered that I could file faces and get closer to the look I wanted. See ya Kim.
dahs512: I haven't the patience for major filing, but it has come in handy
norajean_sf: oh you're going to watch and lie down, I understand.
dahs512: bye kim
dahs512: oops, never mind
norajean_sf: it's just that the first time we sculpt a face it isn't the last time we can adjust the face
norajean_sf: if you got to remove the nose and add a new one, you can.
norajean_sf: I don't know about skin clay that has a lot of translucent, that might be a different story.
norajean_sf: but with white and burnt umber than I use adding raw clay on cured clay is ok.
posey4u: to bad you cant do that with your own nose
norajean_sf: I often cover it with a "make up" mix of skin clay and TLS to smooth off the file marks.
dahs512: Some one asked why you mushed up the first one...besides to start over it was to show something to them right
norajean_sf: Or other parts of our body, yes. LOL
norajean_sf: When a face isn't cooperating, I'll mash it up and give it another go
nndewbre: Ok guys, its been fun and informative and very helpful NJ. Thanks a bunch but it's midnight 30 here, gotta go to bed
norajean_sf: sculpting and mushing is practice
dahs512: becouse you have no fear
norajean_sf: Ya, we're winding down.
norajean_sf: You get your rest Norma
dahs512: nite nndewbre
nndewbre: see y'all tomorrow
norajean_sf: we'll be reviewing this all week end
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dahs512: Shall I save the log for you NJ?
norajean_sf: here is Kai's face with file marks
mazutwo: can one brand of clay be mixed with another brand of softener
norajean_sf: here's the same face with TLS and skin clay Make Up.
norajean_sf: yes Marilyn
norajean_sf: You can use something like solid translucent to soften up clay, or mineral oil
norajean_sf: mix new clay with old clay of the same color
norajean_sf: I use Translucent Liquid Sculpey or liquid clay to soften the clay if it's hard
norajean_sf: Denise I'll save log I'm keeping them as draft email
norajean_sf: I'll do that now that we're thinking about it.
posey4u: like I said earlier NJ you need to write a book or do a video ..your so smart & talented
mazutwo: ok that's what i am doing but am not sure what the brand of clay is
norajean_sf: brb, saving log
dahs512: it doesn't usually matter Marilyn
norajean_sf: I didn't start out any more skilled than any beginner
mazutwo: thank you NJ I am going to think about all I learnt and write it down as I find I remember more that way. It will be early for me tomorrow so I could be late as it is Sunday here
norajean_sf: I have pictures on the biz site of my early efforts to prove that
posey4u: well I know ill never be as good as you ...Im not a real good crafter...my expertise is solving problems & working with numbers
norajean_sf: So you're heading out Marilyn? We're winding down.
dahs512: I'll see every one tommorw if I don't get home too late. I need to go recline myself.
norajean_sf: You get your rest Denise, I'm just taking questions at this point.
dahs512: Thank you NJ for the Demo, and thanks everyone for all the info.
norajean_sf: My pleasure, Denise thanks for the back up on virtual scribe.
mazutwo: you can use maths to do crafts and art if that's the way you think hugs to all Marilyn Thanks heaps NJ Marilyn
posey4u: Im leaving too...got to get some beauty sleep HAHA...thx NJ for all you do to help me & the others nite
norajean_sf: I'll be doing this all week end for those who want to clay along.
dahs512: The least I could do. Thanks
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norajean_sf: ok, it's the end of the demo, are there any questions? Or shall we call it a night?
creationsbypat: Thank you all sorry I missed the demo tonight. Gotta work tomorrow maybe I will catch you tomorrow evening
norajean_sf: or Sunday
greatauntjudy: Thank you NJ, great demo, as usual!
creationsbypat: yes or Sunday
norajean_sf: Good to have you here Aunt Jude
norajean_sf: we'll do flowers for you soon
norajean_sf: well it's 40 minutes past what I was figuring to do and I've had a long day at Jury Duty. Oh I didn't get selected.
norajean_sf: so I'm done for the year.
norajean_sf: Well I'm going to toddle off, thank you all for coming to demo. xoxo
creationsbypat: night night
greatauntjudy: Night all!
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