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06-12-04: Fourth Hour - Wood Grain.
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nj 120604 wood grain (36 photos) nj 060704 wood grain (8 photos) |
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pdduke2003: forgot then too? vlady6us: to remind me how many times i have been 27 kitycat2222000: did I see her tie a knot in the long strip" pdduke2003: ha ha ha vlady6us: hes a brat child babasbunja: why is he a brat? pdduke2003: well tell him that he is now Jack Benny's age vlady6us: cause he had to remind me how many times ive been 27 rdransom1: aren't they all? mine are - they're teens - arrrrgh! vlady6us: i might do that later on pauline.. babasbunja: ohhh vlady6us: he is 39 ruth....lol pdduke2003: sounds good, that good for the goose thing! vlady6us: no more teens here..yeaaaaaaaaaaa Fearless Leader: trick about bullseyes rdransom1: oh - vlady6us: lol pauline.. Fearless Leader: see how I folded the surround sheet over the snake? Fearless Leader: it leaves an indentation vlady6us: yep rdransom1: I see vlady6us: i know what shes gonna do..neener neener neener Fearless Leader: you cut on the INSIDE of that indentation, the same distance as the sheet is WIDE kitycat2222000: indentation? don't see it elissaheart: after they bake can u still put a hole in it elissa? Sorry Vlady, I missed yiour question the first time around. the naswer is yes, but it's trickier that way. With my vision problems, I haven't even tried it. vlady6us: u will when u do it in person carole Fearless Leader: where the clay folded over on to the sheet vlady6us: ty elissa Fearless Leader: it will leave an indentation kitycat2222000: You mean you rolled it to a complete circle and then rolled it back Fearless Leader: Exactly Ms. Kitty mingapunga: i am back, does ty means thank you? vlady6us: yes it does Janice: yes Fearless Leader: when you roll it back, you'll see the indentation kitycat2222000: gotcha elissaheart: BTW, desiree drilles all of her beads after curing. Fearless Leader: you cut INSIDE that indentation Fearless Leader: the same distance as the clay is wide Phyl: how much inside pdduke2003: oops and I used tu - sorry Fearless Leader: to get a good seam vlady6us: is it easier elissa? Fearless Leader: and not get over lap kitycat2222000: I see what you're after - a bulls eye elissaheart: well, with drilling after curing, there's no room for mistakes! lol! vlady6us: hmmmmmmmmmm. not sure if i could do that then...lol mingapunga: never vlady6us: i would drill my fingers. vlady6us: not a pretty thought rdransom1: elissaheart: but another method is to make a thin pilot hole with a thin needle before curing, and then you can guide the drill through that hole after curing. babasbunja: that's a great tip vlady6us: ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. ok elissa..thanks. that makes sense elissaheart: yw! Phyl: does anyone know what colors she is using? babasbunja: neato trippy colors kitycat2222000: black, gold & copper elissaheart: hmm... copper and black? rdransom1: black, copper and gold Phyl: ty elissaheart: Premo, I presume? vlady6us: i think so kitycat2222000: is her pasta roller electric? vlady6us: not sure babasbunja: don't think so rdransom1: I don't think so either kitycat2222000: she whips those sheets out so fast rdransom1: yeah, she does vlady6us: yes she does elissaheart: they mey be prepared ahead of time. Do you think? vlady6us: no vlady6us: she makes them just fly out of the pm kitycat2222000: Not this time Phyl: ok she lost me vlady6us: wonders when michaels will have the glass christmas ornaments out elissaheart: prolly late august vlady6us: darn...i need them now vlady6us: like yesterday rdransom1: what do you do with them? Donna: she says the food processor really helps condition the clay fast kitycat2222000: just looks like random bulls eyes and flat sheets vlady6us: maybe for christmas in july? vlady6us: cover them with clay for ornaments vlady6us: need to get some done elissaheart: how aobut using styrogoam balls, then? rdransom1: what designs do you do? don't they break? elissaheart: styrofoam, that is! vlady6us: can u bake the stryofoam??? Fearless Leader: are we ready to slice the log length wise? vlady6us: no they generally dont break... kitycat2222000: I missed that - did she just roll it or squeeze and roll mingapunga: it will shrink elissaheart: it will melt inside the ball of clay, but so what? vlady6us: i broke one cause i was pressing it to hard Janice: rolled it babasbunja: i'm ready nj vlady6us: ohhhhhhhhhh good idea elissa..thanks rdransom1: do you have any trouble with the clay sticking to it - do you cover it in glue first or anything? vlady6us: no i dont ruth kitycat2222000: that is so neat!!! vlady6us: u just have to rub carefully and make sure there are no air bubbles vlady6us: and dont rub so hard u break them elissaheart: actually, that may not be such a good idea. Clay reacts with styrofoam. rdransom1: do you cover it in canes or what? merrie60us joined the room vlady6us: yes i do ruth Phyl: is there a pattern to staggering the sheets like she did? Janice: hi merrie Phyl: or just go with the flow? vlady6us: hi merrie merrie60us: Hi everybody rdransom1: cool - I'll have to try that - when they come out kitycat2222000: she rebversed the colors on the bulls eyes - Fearless Leader: I'm just staggering them like that for show elissaheart: hi merrie! merrie60us: Hi Phyl: so not necessary? vlady6us: those are cool nj merrie60us: Woodgrain?? beddie0510 left the room kitycat2222000: is it possible to get a fairly large sheet of wood grain? Fearless Leader: Let's do roll call since folks have come in and gone out, First name and Location Please Fearless Leader: NoraJean, San Francisco merrie60us: Merrie, Boston vlady6us: sandie florida rdransom1: Ruth <---Dallas Janice: Janice, Monticello GA Phyl: Phyllis - Nevada mingapunga: ulrike, germany kitycat2222000: Ms. Kitty (Carole) Wisconsin babasbunja: Bernie, in PA elissaheart: NJ, I wonder how many pounds of clay you go through per month? Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): kathy , mesa arizona Phyl: I am sooooooooo confused here Phyl: i need a new brain vlady6us: wish i could afford a donation to nj's clay Donna: Donna -- Sacramento CA elissaheart: Elissa - Santa Clara, CA Phyl: or more reading material Janice: why are you confused merrie60us: Is that wood grain rdransom1: yes Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): phyl, brain burn out, too much info? Phyl: it is all so new to me i have no idea what she is doing merrie60us: looks just like it vlady6us: yes its wood grain Phyl: total melt down Donna: I bought some beads from her -- just got them a few days ago -- they are wonderful! Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): my notes will help you, and NJ notes on web site will help also vlady6us: lucky u dona vlady6us: nj has great pics on her web site Phyl: I checked notes on the leopard cane but they were inclusive as to how to make the cane Janice: Kathy can you send me the notes for this weekend and last weekend. merrie60us: does anyone here clay with gloves on??? vlady6us: not me merrie kitycat2222000: okay - I see - layer the WG on a backing sheet Janice: not i said the fly rdransom1: I did once - too sweaty Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): yes, e-mail me, ks@cableaz.com rdransom1: no finger prints, though elissaheart: that would be like taking a shower in a raincoat! Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): i'm be hind, on 2 and this one Donna: I sometimes put some on to finish rdransom1: cool, nj Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): been writing a book , so made me behind in my notes of demo Donna: in the summer I just use a few glove fingers Fearless Leader: Now that I'm looking at the monitor could you repeat any questions you had. elissaheart: I smooth everything with a talced finger to get rid of fingerprints. Phyl: i missed how you made that big sheet Fearless Leader: which big sheet? vlady6us: u need to get priorities straight there kathy kitycat2222000: If I wanted a pale wood tone, what colors, beige, white, yellow ??? Fearless Leader: the one for the face? Janice: what colors would you use if you wre doing a true woodgrain. Phyl: the one on the monitor behind the little squares Fearless Leader: chevron flip Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): priorities? Fearless Leader: then press Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): tell me about what you mean Phyl: oh ty Fearless Leader: About wood grain color vlady6us: u said u r writing a book kathy...and behind in notes.... vlady6us: LOL Fearless Leader: do a search for wood grain rdransom1: write a book ....make demo notes for us Fearless Leader: and get to a site that sells wood veneer or something Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): for my family, on exercise Fearless Leader: check the colors there kitycat2222000: What colors for a very pale (basswood) wood grain Fearless Leader: and mix to match vlady6us: oh way cool kathy vlady6us: i was being a smart @ss by the way Fearless Leader: you tell me Ms. Kitty, Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): just for my familly Fearless Leader: LOL Fearless Leader: that's why I want folks to experiment with mixing colors, just pea sized mixes Fearless Leader: and get the colors you want vlady6us: thats so neat kathy...good luck with it Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): thanks Phyl: like if I wanted my burnt sienna just try mixing up some colors? babasbunja: Sweet Kathy from Arizona, what prompted you to write exercise book for family? merrie60us: have to know a little about color or you end up with mud!!! kitycat2222000: beige, white, yellow - also what does translucent do to the mix? Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): all my notes here are sent to NJ to say ok first Fearless Leader: you could use burnt umber, raw sienna and yellow, for example Fearless Leader: it depends on the wood grain you want Fearless Leader: leave in bullseyes for knots or leave it out when you do something like bamboo, I'll get the link for the wood review Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): because they were hurting them selfs at the gym kitycat2222000: basswood has a very fine almost no grain pdduke2003 left the room Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): maybe to heavy of weights, not doing them right babasbunja: ty Fearless Leader: http://www.norajean.com/New_Projects/Review-2004- WoodGrain.htm Fearless Leader: Like for redwood burls Fearless Leader: it's more bullseyes than not Fearless Leader: for bamboo it is mostly sheets and little evidence of knots Fearless Leader: are there any other questions at this time, not only about wood grain but anything else I didn't see when I was turned away from the monitor? vlady6us: yes ma'am kitycat2222000: If I wanted to do a figure - build it in layers and finish with wood grain - like it was carved vlady6us: that little tool u use for smoothing..is that a soft tip on it? vlady6us: like rubber or something elissaheart: Yeah. How many pounds of clay do you go through in a month? mingapunga: good question Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): i have some clay shapers and the white tip one are very soft kitycat2222000: to get a larter sheet, load the wood grain on a backing sheet, can you roll it thin again and not distort the pattern? Fearless Leader: not much really Elissa, since I use all my cane ends and scraps with chop elissaheart: thanks. I was just wondering! Fearless Leader: when ever you press anything there will be distortion, so turn your sheet one time each time you narrow the roller Fearless Leader: here are some examples of different colors for wood grain in these faces kitycat2222000: oooh thise are neat vlady6us: hey carole i roll mine out with hand roller first in all directions and it helps if the slices are all the same width vlady6us: or thickness Fearless Leader: turning the sheet each time when you narrow the rollers does evens out the design kitycat2222000: thanks for that........ Fearless Leader: are there any other questions at this point? Fearless Leader: Elissa ... about the amount of clay. I order 10 - 12 pounds at a time vlady6us: what is the tool made of u use for smoothing..the tip of it that is???? Fearless Leader: so I can go for months without ordering anything new vlady6us: are they soft??? elissaheart: you are very good at recycling, then! lol! Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): press - there will be distortion, so turn sheet one time each time you narrow the roller, (can you explain more of what you mean? Fearless Leader: These are called clay shapers and they have a soft rubber tip kitycat2222000: did you get my question about translucent? vlady6us: ty nj mingapunga: is that a set? Fearless Leader: Ok, about turning the sheet, showing it is better vlady6us left the room Janice: brb vlady6us joined the room mingapunga left the room mingapunga joined the room Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): ic, you mean run it through the press each time turn it to run it through. right? mingapunga: ups, yahoo did it again Phyl: so i assume you could not do this with long sheets? kitycat2222000: okay - I get that Fearless Leader: each time I narrowed the rollers I turned the sheet, so once from north, then south, then east, then west Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): ic, i understand NJ - thank you Fearless Leader: there's a limit to how wide things get with the pasta press, but remember clay is elastic and you can stretch it like pizza dough Phyl: ah good perfect thanks Fearless Leader: like that, now Ms. Kitty had a question regarding translucent clay? kitycat2222000: I would be wanting to keep the grain fine (like hair) kitycat2222000: what is the effect on adding a sheet of translucent to the mix? Fearless Leader: then take sheets of clay of different colors and press them together as one sheet. Adding a layer of translucent wouldn't show up with dark clay, light has to go in and bounce off of something Fearless Leader: let's fold this Phyl: ooooo neat Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): that is so cool looking Donna: very cool babasbunja: Looks like bird feathers or butterfly wings rdransom1: chop 'n' toss! mingapunga: have to try that Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): baba- your right , does look like feathers babasbunja: wow-wee nj mingapunga: in which way does she send it trough the pm? rdransom1: neato! vlady6us: cool merrie60us: what do you do about the bottom and top (where the hole is) on the chop and toss beads Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): after folding she sends it through long ways, folds towards your finger merrie60us: I mean Natasha beads mingapunga: thanks Donna: how pretty Fearless Leader: you can do a Natasha LOG Fearless Leader: and cut off beads to what size you want merrie60us: you squeezed the ends Fearless Leader: especially if the design is busy Fearless Leader: like this one is Fearless Leader: I just squeeze the ends on these for the heck of it Fearless Leader: we could leave the square Fearless Leader: round them off for tube beads Fearless Leader: are there any other questions I might have missed? merrie60us: if you leave them square vlady6us: r u going to be on tomorrow nj? merrie60us: how do you get rid of the lines merrie60us: to make it more finished looking> merrie60us: ? Fearless Leader: jiggle the seam with your finger tip Fearless Leader: jiggle it up and down and left and right Fearless Leader: pressing on the seam Fearless Leader: jiggle jiggle babasbunja: brb vlady6us: gotta go...byeeeeeeeeeeeeeee mingapunga: bye sandie vlady6us left the room vlady6us joined the room babasbunja: take care sandie Fearless Leader: Let's do roll call, First name and Location Please Fearless Leader: NoraJean, San Francisco mingapunga: ulrike, germany merrie60us: Merrie, Boston Phyl: Phyllis - Nevada Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): kathy, mesa arizona babasbunja: bernie, PA rdransom1: Ruth <--dallas Donna: Donna Sacramento Fearless Leader: 8 out of 13 Fearless Leader: Ulrike, since you're further away and it is late for you, what do you want to see next? Fearless Leader: we're going by time zones mingapunga: I saw your link of three colors and texture plate Fearless Leader: oh Shaved Wave, ok Fearless Leader: colors? mingapunga: what you like best Fearless Leader: hmmm, now what if we mashed some of this wood grain? Fearless Leader: did a texture sheet on that and then shaved, I've never done that. Phyl: sounds neat mingapunga: ok try it Fearless Leader: it's experimental to be sure. rdransom1: go for it Phyl: is that from clay alley? and if so which set? Phyl: the texture sheet that is mingapunga: that is the only plate which was missing in my set, ohhhhhhh mingapunga: nature 1 Phyl: ty Phyl: does she use a tissue blade? rdransom1: looks like it Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): looks like she is cutting off top of sheet Fearless Leader: well that didn't work but it does show what happens when you shave gold and get the mica shift effect Fearless Leader: let's get some colored layers and do this again Phyl: what are you dusting the sheet with? Fearless Leader: baby powder Phyl: ty Fearless Leader: hmmm Fearless Leader: well maybe we should add more layers and press again ammowife68 left the room Janice: I'm back. Had pizza for supper. Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): yummy rdransom1: yum - I need to start thinking about supper, too Janice: I like to do quick and easy. That way I don't have to miss demo. mingapunga: my thoughs are how long i can stay awake, it is 0:38 Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): nice mingapunga: hey, there it is rdransom1: it is 5:38pm here in Dalas Janice: oooh ulrike. I took a nap yesterday so I could stay up. I was in demo until 1:30 a.m. Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): 3:42 here in az Janice: 6:39 here on the East Coast. mingapunga: i took a nap too, but that was not enough Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): NJ, what could you do with that sheet? cover a tin? and what else? mingapunga: pens? Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): oh! good idea Janice: fabric to cover a doll mingapunga: background for pendants Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): another good idea Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): does the powder every bake into clay? Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): not every, i mean ever babasbunja: OT, Kathy, did you like working with stained glass? Janice: I have had to take a toothbrush and wash it off of baked items. Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): yes, the patina and the primer eats the skin off your hands kitycat2222000 left the room Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): i maked different things, the best sold was a fly night light babasbunja: really? when does that happen? Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): baba , asking me? pmi1314 joined the room babasbunja: yes Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): it's been years, just did Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): do you use horse shoes nails? babasbunja: yes pmi1314: whats up for today merrie60us: what powder ar eyou talking about? Fearless Leader: it's hard to see on cam, this shaved wave, but what I realize is the layers have to be really thin Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): baba, do you have a glass sander, to sand the edges? Phyl: what setting did you roll it through the pm at? mingapunga: Shaved Wave babasbunja: yes, an Inland Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): same here babasbunja: spoke to several artists today from across country. Doing major show here. babasbunja: No one was doing pc. mingapunga: NJ, how can you send it several time through the pm? Fold it? babasbunja: lots of wood Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): i love going to the shows here, lots of artist doing different things rdransom1: ooo - that is pretty! Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): that is cool Janice: I like that NJ mingapunga: thats it rdransom1: beautimus! babasbunja: artists were saying poor economy really affecting sales Fearless Leader: took a couple of efforts but that's it Donna: That is nice! Phyl: what setting did you roll it through the pm at? Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): i believe that babasbunja: looks wondeful Fearless Leader: always at the widest Fearless Leader: but sometimes I'm putting in two, three, sheets at a time Fearless Leader: and then cutting and stacking that and pressing again at the widest mingapunga: to send it though the pm several time? fold it or use a thinner setting? Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): NJ, can you finger paint the gold powder on top? Phyl: ok ty merrie60us: are you using pearlex Fearless Leader: I rather cut and stack and press at the widest setting than to press at thinner and thinner settings merrie60us: I am getting confused mingapunga: thanks Fearless Leader: too much chance of getting air bubbles when you press thin and THEN try to stack them Fearless Leader: How so Merrie, honey? merrie60us: did you use clay merrie60us: or pearlex? merrie60us: I thoght it was clay merrie60us: thought Fearless Leader: just clay for me merrie60us: oh okay merrie60us: thanks babasbunja: looks like textured wallpaper Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): yes it does merrie60us: I am going to have to do soon thanks for everything merrie60us: not do go merrie60us: can't type mingapunga: took some picture, thanks for the great demo, have to go to bed now, bye merrie60us: Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): night ming merrie60us: goodnight ming Janice: night ulrike, merrie Donna: bye rdransom1: good night! sweet dreams of claying merrie60us left the room mingapunga left the room elissaheart: gotta head out now. Thanks for another great demo, NJ! rdransom1: bye elissa Janice: bye elissa Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): bye elissa babasbunja: see ya elissa elissaheart: bye all! elissaheart left the room Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): thats different Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): wonder what it would look like if using brick texture sheet? Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): that is nice, Donna: I will have to try that Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): me 2 Fearless Leader: this one has translucent layers vlady6us left the room Fearless Leader: so it's flat but looks like it has texture rdransom1: pretty Donna: very nice Phyl: is translucent top or second layer? Janice: I really like that one NJ. What colors did you use? Fearless Leader: the translucent was many layers Janice: yes, that one Fearless Leader: black, gold, red, and a dark translucent mix Fearless Leader: everyone touches it Fearless Leader: thinking it has ridges Fearless Leader: when it's an illusion Janice: by dark translucent, do you mean translucent clay with a dark color mixed in Fearless Leader: yes Phyl: wow bet that is neat in person Janice: ok. thx Fearless Leader: dark translucent tricks are something I want to review soon Phyl: so how many layers do you end up using? Fearless Leader: mixing a dark translucent in a jelly roll blend will get you this sort of effect, Biz-Archive/Faux/TigersEye/001-sheet Fearless Leader: seems like I end up using 6 layers, take two colors, press together, cut and stack and press together again, that sort of thing, for thin lines Fearless Leader: the first effort today I didn't have layers thin enough Phyl: ok ty Fearless Leader: it's been a while since I did this and I experiment with amnesia pmi1314: gotta go bye all Phyl: lol Fearless Leader: Ciao rdransom1: bye Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): bye bye Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): have to go, have to pick up son, his car died, so guess who get picked? first 2 guess don't count rdransom1: what are you going to do with all the shavings? babasbunja: bye Kathy rdransom1: bye Kathy Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): really good demo NJ , thank you so much Kathy (arizona_sweet2004): bye all arizona_sweet2004 left the room babasbunja: wonderful demo nj, take care all, gonna get busy babasbunja left the room Donna: time for me to head out also -- thanks NJ. see you all later Janice: bye donna dona5611 left the room Fearless Leader: I'm going to be ending demo for today Fearless Leader: since the sun is invading my work space Fearless Leader: it gets too glary rdransom1: gotta go, to - supper time! Thanks for the great demo - I've got to try the shaved wave - very cool! Fearless Leader: It's just so messy Janice: every is bailing. Thanks for everything NJ. See you next week, unless you are going to try again tomorrow? Fearless Leader: that's the only thing that's a hassle with it Fearless Leader: Tomorrow Fearless Leader: yes Fearless Leader: around noon Janice: Yeah!!!!! See you then. Fearless Leader: so I'm off to get food. xoxxo |
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