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03-14-04: The first part of this Demo log was having the ClayMates critique my Arnold Vosloo face sculpting of the earlier demo that day. The second part of the Demo log is sculpting a head and face of a female and new tricks that use the letters "C" "V" and "S". See the screen shots that DonnaB in Sacramento caught for the female face sculpting effort. Female face
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"*g.MSATClayArt:1" ( ) NikiT (azstitcher2001) joined the room jill_z_q joined the room Teddy (julia_dodge) joined the room chelyha55 joined the room Teddy: Hi Hi chelyha55: hello all NikiT: hi jill_z_q: howdy folks Kandi (quazardrgn) joined the room Kandi: hiya everybody nora_gatine: Howdy everyone nora_gatine: I have a picture of Arnold Vosloo and the started figure nora_gatine: there's 5 of y'all and three on cam MK (celebrate_abundance2002) joined the room jill_z_q: afk nora_gatine: Ok, now everyone has the cam open, Mary Hey honey nora_gatine: okie dokie Suzy MK: Hi All nora_gatine: Mary getting the cam on? MK: Got it! nora_gatine: What I'm going to do is have you tell me where this clay head needs fine tuning nora_gatine: I got my own ideas, but sculpting real folks got its tricks nora_gatine: what do you see on the sculpted head that needs changing to look like this actor? chelyha55: I'm finishing up reading something so it may look like I have you all on ignore for a few more minutes nora_gatine: other than his ear NikiT: slightly smaller nose, more on top of his head NikiT: just a smidge more on the top of the head MK: brows down a bit? nora_gatine: I think his upper lip needs lengthing NikiT: can you turn the sculpt to face the cam? nora_gatine: and there's an indentation on the side of his mouth that lengthens his chin nora_gatine: nose needs narrowing for sure, but I think the whole face needs lengthening NikiT: yeah, i agree Teddy: http://tinyurl.co.uk/1jne I think he is almost perfect MK: ah...different...yep I can see lips now nora_gatine: so how do we lengthen a face once you are started? nora_gatine: I'm pinching his head, I'm pinching his head Teddy: ouch ouch MK: squeeze me baby Teddy: poke him in the teeth nora_gatine: the top of his bald head is more pointed nora_gatine: ok, quick trick to that Teddy nora_gatine: we take a razor nora_gatine: and slice open his mouth dlbahls joined the room nora_gatine: whew Teddy: by Geaorge I think she got it NikiT: yes, better nora_gatine: close, just had to change my position jude (greatauntjudy) joined the room jude: Howdy! Teddy: hi Jude jude: How is everyone this evening? Teddy: sleepy jude: Wake up!!!! jude: That help any? Ann (pixxies_fairies_in_polymar) joined the room NikiT: wanting to go home and clay... 'cept my next few days will be spent doing a massive stint at housecleaning jude: Yuck. NikiT: yup. but that's what I get for letting it sit for so long. Teddy: yawwwn Teddy: OO Teddy: I awake now Ann: what kind of tool is NJ using? jude: Okie. Teddy: clay shaper jude: Looks like a clay shaper. dlbahls: Hi, Donna from Sacramento here. I have some clay shapers that have gray tips -- are they the same or is one type more flexible? I think I bought them for another purpose -- painting maybe? Too many craft things jill_z_q: back nora_gatine: what's the use of a phone call when you can't speak? chelyha55: Finally done with my reading Teddy: clay shapers grey and white are softer than the black Ann: I dont know Donna,but they look like they are very good to use for clay gonna have to get some hehe chelyha55: they are quite useful NikiT: I think the gray ones are even more flexible than the white ones chelyha55: I have the white tipped variety Ann: are they very expensive? NikiT: i've seen them at Aaron's Art store, and they're softer than the whites NikiT: depends on where you go to buy them jude: I got mine from Karen and they weren't too bad, costwise. NikiT: a set of them online is about $20 I think? Ann: not bad then dlbahls: I got mine at a flea market 5 mini ones for $10 NikiT: i've had mine for about a year and can't remember how much i paid dlbahls: Wow, he is just amazing. Or I should say NJ is! Do the rest of you sculpt like this? nora_gatine: ok nora_gatine: got to rest my arms a bit nora_gatine: any questions? chelyha55: not me I'm no where near this good at faces or figures nora_gatine: now did you see how I pointed at the picture and then sculpted? dlbahls: Yes nora_gatine: I'm looking at the highlights and shadows on the face from different angles Teddy: I only ever made one sculpture, and he is in challenge. You would not recognise him nora_gatine: I'm showing you what I'm looking at by pointing to it nora_gatine: and then going in and giving it an effort nora_gatine: don't worry about redoing the lips nora_gatine: or shutting the nostrils and doing it again nora_gatine: we're sneaking up on the likeness MK: I won't worry about redoing lips til I can DO lips!!! LOL chelyha55: it's much easier for me to draw than to sculpt nora_gatine: there's the line that goes from the chin, all the way along the jawline, making an upswing at the ear and following up and over the ear nora_gatine: run your clay shaper along these lines nora_gatine: if you see a "C" shape besides his eye nora_gatine: and it's connecting the brow and the cheekbone nora_gatine: go in and give it a go with your clayshaper nora_gatine: rolling it affectsoftheart joined the room chelyha55: I think NJ likes bald men chelyha55: she sculpts them alot chelyha55: affectsoftheart left the room Karen B (affectsoftheart) joined the room chelyha55: Hi Karen Karen B: HI! chelyha55: I have to get offline and back to work. nora_gatine: Okie Dokie Cheryl chelyha55: I'll catch you all lata nora_gatine: no problemo chelyha55: nite nite all jude: Night Chneryl. jude: er...Cheryl nora_gatine: I do like bald men nora_gatine: LOL chelyha55: that was cute nora_gatine: easier to sculpt Karen B: Nite Cheryl chelyha55 left the room nora_gatine: Let's do a roll call nora_gatine: NoraJean, San Francisco NikiT: niki, az Karen B: Lancaster, Pennsylvania dlbahls: Donna, Sacramento Kandi: Kandi Conroe Tx Teddy: Julia/ Florida Teddy: yeeeehaaaa jill_z_q left the room jill_z_q joined the room jude: jude, CA nora_gatine: ok, for those who are new to sculpting faces, I'd like to do a face from scratch real quick nora_gatine: to show you a grid pattern I use to keep the features from floating about the face Karen B: Yippee!!! MK: Thank you!!! nora_gatine: ok, this time let's do a female face Ann: oops sorry had to grab dinner hehe Ann West Jordan,UT nora_gatine: Pass a plate for me Ann nora_gatine: LOL nora_gatine: what ya eating? Ann: hehe hubby wanted homemade corn tortilla chip with the chicken salad I made Teddy: nice job NJ Ann: what clay you use to make your sculps with NJ? I have been using Super Sculpey nora_gatine: This is a blend nora_gatine: of a bunch of different clay brands nora_gatine: I am using up scrap clay that I just worked to one hue nora_gatine: LOL Ann: lol nora_gatine: so there's three year old sculpey nora_gatine: and the latest pearl nora_gatine: Premo, what ever was laying about nora_gatine: I took all my scraps and I have almost all of it reworked nora_gatine: rather than open up new clay, ya know? Ann: yeah is good idea nora_gatine: Let me show you something nora_gatine: that's what the green scraps look like nora_gatine: I'll sort them in a rough way, chop them up with the food processor nora_gatine: and press sheets jude: Looks like a salad. Ann: hehe ya nora_gatine: some of it's Sculpey nora_gatine: some is probably old Fromello nora_gatine: and some new stuff nora_gatine: who knows nora_gatine: if it's dry I drizzle TLS in the food processor nora_gatine: ok, to make a head I'm going to make a small skull nora_gatine: out of foil nora_gatine: and then cover it with another sheet of foil nora_gatine: the reason why I make a skull shape nora_gatine: is to make my life easier nora_gatine: if it were a dog or a horse, the skull shape will correspond to the animal MK: ok...how come I just end up with a little lump of too tightly packed foil? nora_gatine: the only thing I can think of to tell ya nora_gatine: is have the skull shape be present nora_gatine: when you are just starting to bend the foil nora_gatine: when the foil is big, and you're crinkling it in on itself nora_gatine: know where the forehead is going to be nora_gatine: know where the chin is going to be nora_gatine: get that general shape first nora_gatine: and then compress down to that shape MK: okay nora_gatine: does that make sense? nora_gatine: so you're not getting the skull shape after you've compressed it to look like a kiwi nora_gatine: LOL nora_gatine: and when you put your thumb and forefinger tips together nora_gatine: that shape nora_gatine: is a shape of a face nora_gatine: where your fingers touch nora_gatine: is the chin nora_gatine: compress the foil when it is loose like that nora_gatine: to get the general face shape nora_gatine: ok, I'm going to cover this head with clay and then we'll work on the grid, I'd like for new sculptors to check out the eyeball chart, I'll get the link nora_gatine: Biz-Archive/Sculpt/Index-2003 nora_gatine: second picture down nora_gatine: a face can be measured in eye widths nora_gatine: Ok that rudimentary nose on the foil skull nora_gatine: helped me keep track of where I need to add a bit of clay nora_gatine: having the foil in the snape of the skull nora_gatine: makes half of the work done really nora_gatine: we have a jaw line nora_gatine: we have a base for the chin JennyP (pcajenny) joined the room nora_gatine: ok now did everyone see the eyewidth chart? Ann: nora_gatine: Biz-Archive/Sculpt/Index-2003 Ann: yes MK: yes...very cool Kandi: yes Karen B: Yes nora_gatine: what I use the most nora_gatine: is that the eyes are one eye width apart nora_gatine: and the bottom of the nose is one eye width wide nora_gatine: and the outside of the nose is one eye width from the pupil nora_gatine: going down in a V nora_gatine: there's V shapes all over and I'm going to show you the ones that make cheek bones nora_gatine: the V starts from the side of the head nora_gatine: aims towards the bottom of the nose nora_gatine: for we're getting the general shape of the face and head first nora_gatine: and then moving in for features nora_gatine: does that make sense? MK: yes Teddy: yup nora_gatine: ok the first V Kandi: yep nora_gatine: starting from the front of the ears nora_gatine: going towards the nose nora_gatine: for the cheek bone nora_gatine: then I dip the temple and line up the back of the jaw with the front of where the ear goes nora_gatine: ET Phone Home Karen B: LOL nora_gatine: the next V I do is upside down nora_gatine: starting from the middle of the brow nora_gatine: giong out to the outside of the nose nora_gatine: I'm going to take that under the cheek bone build up and move it to the jaw line nora_gatine: ok the next V is from the side of the nose to the outer corners of the mouth nora_gatine: now we can do a little V that build up under the lower lip nora_gatine: what I'm doing at this point nora_gatine: is making myself laugh nora_gatine: it's a face nora_gatine: stick some eyeballs in it nora_gatine: and call it a day nora_gatine: LOL nora_gatine: what we're doing here MK: LOL Kandi: lol Ann: hehe Teddy: nice nora_gatine: is moving clay to where we're going to build features nora_gatine: instead of adding clay to build features nora_gatine: we are indenting where we need it nora_gatine: and using the build up to make features nora_gatine: by rolling the clay shaper nora_gatine: to move the clay nora_gatine: don't drag nora_gatine: a tool over the clay MK: (of course we are ) nora_gatine: makes work to clear up later nora_gatine: Ok, so I'm going to just do this face now that I have clay where I need it nora_gatine: and indentations where I need them, more or less nora_gatine: what's important is to start with the skull form nora_gatine: and do your "V" s nora_gatine: so ... here I go, if there's questions this is a logical place to ask them nora_gatine: the pregnant pause nora_gatine: so I gather there's no questions nora_gatine: what I want new sculptors to see when I do this face nora_gatine: is how I move the clay into position nora_gatine: before going in for detail affectsoftheart left the room nora_gatine: and I go all over the face from the outer edge towards the center, more or less nora_gatine: or would we like a break before I start? nora_gatine: do biologicals and get food and drink? nora_gatine: I'm going to save log and be back in a bit, someone post or I'll figure I'm about to get booted... nora_gatine: is everyone AFK? nora_gatine: how weird, let's do roll call to see who is at their keyboard, ok? nora_gatine: NoraJean, San Francisco Teddy: Julia/ Florida nora_gatine: whew NikiT: niki az nora_gatine: LOL dlbahls: Donna Sacramento Ann: Ann West Jordan Kandi: Kandi Conroe Tx nora_gatine: had me going there for a minute nora_gatine: so there's no questions at this point new sculptors? nora_gatine: shall I just tear into this thing? Teddy: go for it nora_gatine: okie dokie MK: please do Ann: no but you make it look so easy hehe bonsaikathy joined the room bonsaikathy: Hi everyone, bonsaikathy: Hi Niki, long time no see NikiT: hi bonsaikathy: Looks like we have some newcomers, welcome to all of you dlbahls: thanks. Guess I need to figure out how to get my name to show up as Donna -- or something more descriptive anyway! NikiT: OT question for you married peoples (whos last names changed)... how long did it take you to get used to signing your new name? MK: Hi Niki...thanks, nice to meet you too! bonsaikathy: Congrats Niki on the nuptials, and it won't take you long, lol NikiT: I feel like i'm in grade school, praticing my capital W's NikiT: LOL bonsaikathy: Donna try clicking on login and then on edit my contact info, that might do it Teddy: Niki, practice it. I went from Haecker to Dodge, Wirtz, cook, Ford, and back to Dodge dlbahls: Thanks, I'll try it bonsaikathy: I think that's how I did it, I can't remember dlbahls: It may not take effect till the next time I enter a room bonsaikathy: that might be true dlbahls left the room dlbahls joined the room NikiT: 'course, it doesn't help that my W's are kind of looking like my N's. nora_gatine: head in a jar Teddy: lol bonsaikathy: Hi NJ nora_gatine: Howdy Kathy bonsaikathy: just stopped by for a minute to say hi before heading to bed, just got in bonsaikathy: nice face nora_gatine: thanks bonsaikathy: welcome nora_gatine: I never know how they are going to come out nora_gatine: it's like they emerge bonsaikathy: any word yet on the job nora_gatine: I just mound clay and make dents nora_gatine: they are putting the paperwork through bonsaikathy: well you do it well nora_gatine: it's a new position bonsaikathy: I hope it works out for you nora_gatine: the paperwork has only been cycling for a week, Kaiser moves slow bonsaikathy: Gary's working a full time job and about 20 hours part time right now nora_gatine: yikes nora_gatine: well I'm at a logical break here bonsaikathy: we really want to move further south and back to an area that is more technically oriented, it's just to backwards here for technology and it's been hard on him bonsaikathy: so we're trying to get ahead enough to be able to afford it nora_gatine: it's totally tech here and it's still hard bonsaikathy: there are no tech jobs to speak of here in this area bonsaikathy: it's mostly seasonal tourist stuff here bonsaikathy: makes it very difficult to make enough money to live nora_gatine: How's the bonsai sales? bonsaikathy: I haven't made any new ones since October, I think tomorrow I'll go on a marathon run, I have people wanting to take and sell them at a show and a mini shop wanting me to sell to them wholesale bonsaikathy: I'm off to bed folks, enjoy the demo nora_gatine: good luck with the bonsai honey nora_gatine: nighty night NikiT: 'night kathy bonsaikathy: Thanks honey, I'm about out of stock so new ones need to be made, nite everyoen bonsaikathy: sorry, everyone, good reason for going to bed, lol bonsaikathy left the room Teddy: I'm not feeling spry, think I better go to bed, love yas Teddy: good night Ann: nites nora_gatine: nighty night Teddy: night, have a good one julia_dodge left the room MK: Thanks NJ...baby's awake...gotta go celebrate_abundance2002 left the room nora_gatine: so anyway, there's a head and face nora_gatine: I'm pooping out jude: Looks good. dlbahls: This was great -- thanks NikiT: agreed. better than i could probably do in such a short amt of time dlbahls: gives me a much better idea how to proceed Ann: yes NJ great nora_gatine: That's what I hoped Donna nora_gatine: the trick with the V's and eyewidth nora_gatine: help map out the face dlbahls: I took lots of screen shots for reference nora_gatine: rolling the clay shaper to move clay mass gives you more organic shapes and makes sculpting easier nora_gatine: if you would like to send me the screen shots nora_gatine: I'll put them in an album nora_gatine: and share them with the list dlbahls: sure -- what format would you like them in? jpg? nora_gatine: jpg is fine, I can also tell you how to upload them into Epson and we can cut out two steps nora_gatine: let me open a private message screen Ann: what size clay shapers you use NJ? I saw two sets one said size 0 and the other size 2 ? nora_gatine: the big one is like a 6 Ann: so just get a variety of sizes? nora_gatine: sorry nora_gatine: was showing Donna how to get screen shots into the epson site nora_gatine: yes, when moving big masses nora_gatine: use the big one nora_gatine: as you refine the thing move to smaller and smaller sizes nora_gatine: I see people doing basic shaping with a tiny tool nora_gatine: and that's like digging a ditch with a spoon nora_gatine: the right tool for the right job nora_gatine: for all things Ann: ah okies nora_gatine: but the trick is to start with a general shape nora_gatine: and then move masses of clay to where you need them, taking the clay from where you're indenting nora_gatine: so you don't have to add clay to make a feature nora_gatine: you coax the feature out of the clay mass nora_gatine: I think it's easier and there's less chance of seeing a seam, any mica in the mix an added bit will leave a mica seam nora_gatine: and I do gold and pearl color figures, I use pearl in my skin mixes nora_gatine: and I just made myself crazy adding clay to make features nora_gatine: well if there's no other questions I think I'm going to wind this demo down nora_gatine: I'm starving nora_gatine: frankly nora_gatine: LOL Ann: thanks NJ very much was very helpful nora_gatine: and my husband is making hungry noises, so thank you all for showing up NikiT: my shift is nearly over, so i'm gonna start getting stuff shut down.. thanks for the demo, NJ jude: Thanks NJ! Night all! dlbahls: thank you! Ann: you have a good nite nora_gatine: thanks for showing up stranger, Niki nora_gatine: Nighty Night Jude greatauntjudy left the room dlbahls left the room quazardrgn left the room nora_gatine: xoxox all Ann: nite everyone |
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