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11-15-03: DemoLog-2, Posing her in the abalone shell and related links to waterlilies, MerBruce, UnderTheSea and other tutes and albums that are related to this demo. This is the log that goes with these screen shots |
Posing the MerBlue Mom, and sculpting review. Screen Shots from Roni. Thank you honey. |
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nora_gatine: sorry about that nora_gatine: let me fix my font and post to the list that Yahoo is being mean to me nora_gatine: There, that feels better, now let me tell the list what name I'm logged in as nora_gatine: brb khym left the room khym joined the room nora_gatine: ok, now I'm back I'll open the cam again. Close out all old cam windows of mine and then open the cam again mzsayk: NJ sorry to join in so late, had a horrible nite. henrye21: thats a good clear picture nora_gatine: no worries, we're just starting out. I'm going to do a blend and before I crashed I asked, shall we do a hand blend nora_gatine: for those who do not have a pasta machine? nora_gatine: no preference? nora_gatine: I do a little of both? henrye21: please khym: thank you mzsayk: k emato (emato2) joined the room nora_gatine: Howdy Karin nora_gatine: just started doing a blend here, fixing to do fish scales henrye21: hi karin emato: Hey! going to have to add you so I can see you nora_gatine: okie dokie nora_gatine: can you tell me something? nora_gatine: does the tiny url on my status line take you to the tutorial? nora_gatine: it doesn't show up as an active link to me khym: yes it worked for me mzsayk: yes nora_gatine: coolness, now let me get you the link for the blends emato2 left the room nora_gatine: http://www.norajean.com/Biz-Archive/Blend-Grp.htm nora_gatine: for without a pasta machine nora_gatine: NoraJean.com/Biz-Archive/Canes/HandBlend/Grp nora_gatine: doing the classic Skinner bend takes a couple of dozen passes through the pasta machine, that's too much work nora_gatine: I say, roll the two colors together, mash and wring like a wet wash rag nora_gatine: then press nora_gatine: each press this way equals 6 nora_gatine: cuts down the work, and if you don't have a press at all, pull the twisted mass into a long ribbon and repeat the proccess as needed nora_gatine: is that understandable? nora_gatine: best to ask questions now while we're typing mzsayk: yes it is nora_gatine: Henry and Lisa you ok with this concept? henrye21: yes ty khym: yes nora_gatine: press down the fold from the middle and force out air nora_gatine: like that but faster, LOL nora_gatine: now compress to a fat plug, silver on one end and blue at the other, ok? mzsayk: yep nora_gatine: now we pull it out to a ribbon nora_gatine: now we do that a couple of times to get a blend emato (emato2) joined the room nora_gatine: Welcome back Karin, Yahoo has been mean to all of us today emato: Hello everyone - made it back. I love the fish scale cane! nora_gatine: and it's easy once you get the jelly roll blend figured out nora_gatine: I mean when "one" gets the blend figured out nora_gatine: not you specifically, Karin, LOL emato: Oh no --- that be me for sure! emato: would love to try a Koi fish with that cane on it some time nora_gatine: koi are better suited with spotty designs I'm thinking, but this fish scale is fun, the covered tin in Kai3's new digs are fish scale, did you see that yet today? nora_gatine: http://www.norajean.com/New_Projects/Kai3-NewDigs/006.htm nora_gatine: there it is... done in pearl and black emato: Oh way cool! Yeah, Koi do have those big spots -- going to find something to put that fish scale on though -- it's been a favorite since I saw it on your site nora_gatine: you saw that OLD koi tute? nora_gatine: on the geocities site nora_gatine: you got grit to slog through those old tutes nora_gatine: LOL emato: that's me -- True Grit! LOL Betty (bettyintennessee) joined the room polymerfairy joined the room Betty: Hi, all nora_gatine: Betty and Bonny Betty: Hi, NJ polymerfairy: Hi everyone...Hi NJ nora_gatine: doing a hand blend, the tiny url in my status line is the Fish Scale tute mzsayk: Hello emato: Hi Betty (and Bonny?) khym: Hello nora_gatine: http://www.norajean.com/New_Projects/Kai3-NewDigs/006.htm polymerfairy: Hi Karin nora_gatine: this shows the fish scale in Kai3's new digs nora_gatine: this blend is the same as I did for the WaterLily nora_gatine: http://www.norajean.com/Biz-Archive/Flowers/WaterLily/009.htm nora_gatine: you could do it with any two colors, but this hand blend makes the blend have some variation, doesn't look so perfect and therefore it looks more natural emato: that's a pretty mix - the WaterLily julia_dodge joined the room julia_dodge: I see you nora_gatine: Howdy Howdy Julia nora_gatine: doing a blend, the tiny url will take you to the fish scale experiments emato: Hi Julia julia_dodge: is there demo tonite? nora_gatine: which we're going to review right now Betty: Hi, Julia nora_gatine: yes, we're doing it right now, first a hand blend, then on to a jelly roll nora_gatine: shall we do a quick roll call? First name and Location julia_dodge: thank nora_gatine: NoraJean, San Francisco Betty: Betty, Nashville, TN julia_dodge: Teddy Florida emato: Karin (emato2) Miami, FL polymerfairy: Bonny West Palm Beach FL mzsayk: Lauren NY nora_gatine: this cane design is the first one we'll do nora_gatine: then we'll do this other one khym: lisa, Missouri nora_gatine: for those who weren't around last Easter... polymerfairy: brb hubby's making signs for my snowmen mzsayk: that is a beauty emato: Is that a real egg? Betty: That is beautiful, NJ nora_gatine: a mini scene can be inside of anything nora_gatine: that's an Emu egg emato: way cool nora_gatine: that's one in the natural state julia_dodge: where is access to the web cam? emato: darn they are BIG nora_gatine: I'll get the link for those who are interested mzsayk: I am nora_gatine: Julia are you in chat through the web page or Yahoo Messenger? nora_gatine: Just sent an invite to Julia emato: Julia - right click on nora_gatine in your list and it will lead to the video link mzsayk: k julia_dodge: messager nora_gatine: you have to be in the chat room through Yahoo Messenger or access my Cam through the Friend's list if you're on a MAC nora_gatine: right click on my name, does it not have a TV icon? julia_dodge: no icon julia_dodge: it said it was not turned on nora_gatine: then go to the Friend's list see if there's a link by my name, add this ID if you don't have it already julia_dodge: k nora_gatine: I'll get the emu egg link while Julia gets my cam open emato: 'k mzsayk: Thanks nora_gatine: http://www.norajean.com/Biz-Archive/Eggs/EasterEmu/Group.htm nora_gatine: for those who have not seen this Emu effort before check it out now, Julia how you doing? emato: Oh no ... that means the figures will have to be even SMALLER than 1/12 julia_dodge: nothing yet nora_gatine: LOL, those figures didn't go into the Egg, they were just for examples in Demo emato: Whew!!! nora_gatine: Julia, you might have to log off, reboot and come back, like me and Karin had to do nora_gatine: see if you can get my icon and access the cam after that Betty: I have a link for eggs, but I haven't tried them. Has anyone used them? http://www.artofthedesert.com/ julia_dodge: k, brb julia_dodge left the room emato: Betty never saw one 'live' - wouldn't know where to get them but online Betty: This looked like a good link, so I thought I'd share Betty: I have no experiece with them though emato: Thanks - I will give them a try. I would love to make a scene in an egg nora_gatine: so ... Betty: yw nora_gatine: does everyone have blends and this jelly roll technique understood? nora_gatine: Lisa got to see a blend done by hand emato: kind of khym: yes, and thank you. can't wait to try it. lol Betty: I think so, Thanks NJ nora_gatine: if you want to do blends with a pasta machine you can, but if you don't have one you see that it isn't difficult to do it by hand nora_gatine: now the fish scales that I did on the emu egg were exactly the same as this cane nora_gatine: blue and silver nora_gatine: done as a blend nora_gatine: then rolled as a jellyroll nora_gatine: What I'm going to do now is cut this in half, and then into fourths nora_gatine: now check out how it looks like wood grain nora_gatine: change the color and you have wood grain nora_gatine: now we'll stack these four lengths with the tips pointing in the same direction julia_dodge joined the room nora_gatine: ok, Julia, can you see my TV icon? julia_dodge: still telling me the cam is not on. nora_gatine: and you have nora_gatine added in your Friend's list? julia_dodge: anyway, I am here. LOL nora_gatine: you're checking under this current ID for me? julia_dodge: yes, but it is not lite as you are online An Invitation to view your Webcam was sent to julia_dodge (11/15/03 1:45 PM) nora_gatine: Ok, I just sent you an invite to the cam nora_gatine: did you receive it? julia_dodge: yes, it said server is busy julia_dodge: I will just lurk and learn nora_gatine: Ah, now I understand, keep on trying to access the cam and you'll get in julia_dodge: I hate being a bother nora_gatine: you can check the fish tute that's linked to my status line, I"m repeating that tute emato: Julia, it's ok -- it's happened to us all at one time or another. julia_dodge: thanks, love you gals nora_gatine: now I'm going to slice this fish scale and press it to a sheet nora_gatine: to review, do a blend nora_gatine: then with that make a jelly roll liteladi (liteladi) joined the room nora_gatine: slice down the center to make four lengths nora_gatine: stack the four quarter circle lengths so all the points go in the same direction nora_gatine: reduce nora_gatine: and cut into four sections nora_gatine: and stack again nora_gatine: now I'll slice, lay them on a sheet that matches the wide end of the fish scale, in this case blue julia_dodge: I got the cam, DUH it was my fault. nora_gatine: LOL julia_dodge: I see a blue doll nora_gatine: ok let me show you this fish scale before I press it julia_dodge: nice liteladi: very cool chelyha55 joined the room Betty: Hi, Cheryl liteladi: hi betty chelyha55: Hi~ liteladi: hi cheryl Betty: Hi, Penny nora_gatine: can you guess what she's going to be made into? julia_dodge: hi Cheryl nora_gatine: ClayMates? emato: Hi Cheryl liteladi: mermaid?? julia_dodge: a mermaid? polymerfairy: hmmmm a mermaid? nora_gatine: Give the girl a candy, that's it... A MerMaid nora_gatine: trick to Mermaids... do the whole body first nora_gatine: then add the fish scale bottom liteladi: very cool emato: NJ, is she cured yet? julia_dodge: do you break off her legs? nora_gatine: makes your life easier and your mermaid have the proper proportions nora_gatine: I had her bend in a sitting position and when stretching her out nora_gatine: she makes perfect indentations nora_gatine: where her legs and hips were bent emato: duh -- not unless she's Flexclay! chelyha55 left the room henrye21 left the room nora_gatine: there Betty: That is great, NJ nora_gatine: my beef with Mermaids mzsayk: way kool nora_gatine: is the bottom is often not proportioned to the top emato: Cool!! You always make it look so easy! nora_gatine: the way we get around that problem is to sculpt the body nora_gatine: because it IS easier nora_gatine: this way khym: very nice polymerfairy: very nice...I like her face too nora_gatine: ok, what mermaids have we seen in our life times nora_gatine: Mr. Peabody's Mermaid julia_dodge: lol nora_gatine: and the ladies who swim at tourist attractions nora_gatine: Darrel Hanna in Splash nora_gatine: they are women with a bottom put on them that looks fish like emato: Once while I was sailing --- No just kidding. Yeah, Darrel Hanna in Splash nora_gatine: so let's do that too then nora_gatine: sculpt the whole body nora_gatine: remember you're going to be covering the legs so you can make them not so muscular, unless you aim to have a big bottomed mermaid nora_gatine: same goes with men when doing a MerDude julia_dodge: with mer-men, do you add front zipper emato: Looks like MerMaid and MerDude have a family? mzsayk: polymerfairy left the room polymerfairy joined the room polymerfairy: blasted yahoo Betty: wb, Bonny mzsayk: love it nora_gatine: Mer-Bruce nora_gatine: it's Bruce Willis polymerfairy: thx nora_gatine: I love the baby emato: Mer-Bruce is very nice! nora_gatine: I'll get the link liteladi: bruceie baby emato: Does baby have a tail? mzsayk left the room nora_gatine: Well crap, I didn't link Jean Luc Picard or MerBruce right nora_gatine: they were made just before I transfered the tutes to the biz site emato: nice six pack! emato: Mermen must be like Bettas - take care of the young? liteladi: jean luc no me thinks he is more a bruce nora_gatine: http://www.norajean.com/Biz-Archive/July-2003-Highlights.htm nora_gatine: http://www.norajean.biz/Sculpt/MerBruce/Thms-1.htm Roni (meows3xx) joined the room Roni: hi all emato: Oh yeah -- and MY man -- Fu Man! man they came out so like them it's fantastic! Betty: Hi, Roni nora_gatine: NoraJean.Com/Biz-Archive/Sculpt/JeanLuc/Index julia_dodge: hi Meows liteladi left the room Roni: hi Teddy nora_gatine: Karin now that I have some spare money I can send out the figures, Fu Man Chu included. I'm going to let you gals do the finish on them nora_gatine: I just don't have the time now that I got the full time job emato: Oh not to worry -- I love him where ever he lives! emato: so glad he has his facial hair back --! julia_dodge: those are super emato: I adopted him in my heart -- he's already been with me didch'a know? nora_gatine: I got to adjust the curtains I'm getting glare nora_gatine: LOL, that's what I was hoping Karin nora_gatine: I did some work on Lex recently Betty: Oh, He looks good! emato: Oh wow! he keeps getting more and more refined! He looks good emato: I like the glasses! liteladi (liteladi) joined the room emato: not the same ... better on Lex -- matches his personality Betty: wb, Penn Betty: y liteladi: thanks bett liteladi: y LOL emato: hummm -- that works too Betty: lol yw! nora_gatine: LOL emato: need to add some shells to the rims! LOL Betty: LOL nora_gatine: the glasses look really goofy on the Blue MerMaid emato: Just need to give her some of those 'fin' type wing type with shells on them or something emato: a teacher - for the tadpoles! nora_gatine: I'm looking for these little straw hats I had julia_dodge: schools of tadies emato: emato: How 'bout a clam shell hat with sea grass flowers on it? julia_dodge: I need yp make a mer-maid Santa nora_gatine: crap I can't find them nora_gatine: ah well emato: Cool -- she looks a-drift .. liteladi: ah a clay santa emato: Makes a great sled! Sea Sled! liteladi: very cool NJ nora_gatine: we can have it pulled by fantasy figures nora_gatine: sea horses liteladi: she looks like shes sitting in a shell or a small pond emato: that would be cool nora_gatine: we could surround the shell with waving sea weeds nora_gatine: let me get the old MerMaid and show you a few ideas on setting an Under the Water Scene polymerfairy: dang...I type and nothing shows up polymerfairy: every other time I guess emato: bummer julia_dodge: lol emato: Yahoo has be acting up lately Betty: How would you make Coral? Betty: Like a Coral Reef nora_gatine: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1751108&a=13491510&p=51717532&f=0 emato: pretty colors -- lots of holes polymerfairy: btw I for that LPC book today...nice book nora_gatine: Check this out Betty: Thanks nora_gatine: That waving sea weed is extruded clay emato: Looks nice nora_gatine: and the way I use the clay gun is to put the plunger on the floor and step on the handles and catch the strands as they come up to me polymerfairy: found even liteladi: gorgeous NJ nora_gatine: That little Mermaid, my first, lives in Florida, which is fitting I think emato: How do you step on the handles? Like a pogo stick? nora_gatine: she's in a fish bowl in the bathroom of a claymate nora_gatine: yes, like a pogo stick nora_gatine: wear shoes nora_gatine: and just press with your feet emato: for sure -- shoes and FL being fitting for a mermaid! liteladi: ohoh i almost forgot i was to thrilled with watching the mermaid hubby has a job interview on monday. Keep your fingers crossed emato: I'll try that -- I did try with a cauking gun but it blew big time -- emato: crossed here! khym: Gotta go fix dinner. Thanks for the demo, great stuff. Bye everyone! nora_gatine: Bye Lisa nora_gatine: thanks for coming julia_dodge: fingers crosses Betty: bye Lisa emato: bye Lisa liteladi: by lisa khym left the room julia_dodge: bye Lisa Betty: Keeping Fingers Crossed, Penny! liteladi: thanks polymerfairy: fingers crossed Peggy liteladi: i hope i hope LOL Betty: Good thought, prayers, energy and all, too! emato: you got it! Roni: crossing everything and sending prayers liteladi: thanks polymerfairy: except eyes...can't see the screen if I do LOL emato: liteladi: lol eyes are ok uncroseed liteladi: uncrossed too Betty: LOL Roni: polymerfairy )) polymerfairy: ")) liteladi: wouldnt want to miss this demo if your eyes were crossed polymerfairy: oh poo liteladi: liteladi: colon then two )) polymerfairy: I know but it doesn't like me unless it's at the end of something else liteladi: now she seems to have a regal aire to her emato: exactly liteladi: mermaid queen??? emato: Lady Mer emato: MerQueen? nora_gatine: when you use the foil armature nora_gatine: and cover the armature with skin and then put clay fabric on it nora_gatine: you can pose it in different positions until you get the pose you like liteladi: cool Roni: I just tore apart a cat sculpture I was working on cause I couldn't pose it, I must have wrapped the foil to tight emato: Yes, that is a real plus -- but when I move any of mine around, I totally screw it up and can't find it's 'proper' oriention anymore emato: Yours always seem to stay in proportion - just different positions julia_dodge: NJ, what clay did you use for her? emato: my last two foils figures cracked in the chest during baking nora_gatine: Old Premo Roni: barfing over the side julia_dodge: thx' emato: hahahahaha nora_gatine: She's sea sick liteladi: polymerfairy: LOL I was going to say that but didn't Roni: I just say what pops in my head Betty: Maybe it's morning sickness polymerfairy: poor thing emato: hummmmmm -- the plot thickens! julia_dodge: lol Betty: LOL liteladi: woooo a pg mermaid nora_gatine: LOL nora_gatine: or she's looking for a friend who's still underwater nora_gatine: "I hate to wait" she thinks liteladi: or shes thinking diving back into nora_gatine: or polymerfairy: or " They said the dolphins of Pern could talk??" liteladi: they do?? LOL Betty: LOL liteladi: now shes the outboard motor emato: polymerfairy: lol you'll have to read Anne McCaffrey to find out liteladi: lol emato: going - damn, time to clean this shell again! Roni: now she's praying to the porcelian g*d! liteladi: shes had one to many and is crawling into bed emato: polymerfairy: she lost her contact lens polymerfairy: blast emato: Didn't want her underwater friends to find out -- no more of that chucking over the side emato: nap time liteladi: sleeping it off now polymerfairy: have to go....hubby wants to watch a movie....guess which one?? LOL emato: Little Mermaid? polymerfairy: Finding Nemo liteladi: mermaids of the deep nora_gatine: Splash? emato: Ahhhh -- it was GREAT Betty: Finding Nemo? Betty: oh, No mermaids polymerfairy: catch you gals later....close enough....the ocean at least LOL liteladi: the storm Betty: No..Which one? emato: Ok liteladi: bye Betty: lol polymerfairy: bye 4 now tc Roni: bye nora_gatine: Ciao Bonny emato: C ya polymerfairy left the room nora_gatine: ok, folks nora_gatine: what have you learned just now? nora_gatine: about posing your figures before curing? julia_dodge: mermaids drink too much nora_gatine: LOL Roni: it won't hurt them? emato: that you would have been fun at all get out as a kid with my Barbies! liteladi: and stumble around nora_gatine: you made me spit coffee Betty: LOL, Teddy, NJ liteladi: hmm coffee sounds good liteladi: its cold and rainy here Betty: Here, too nora_gatine: That you don't have to know what pose your figures are going to be until after you do the rough sculpting Roni: here too Penny nora_gatine: you can make your figures all limbs extended and then pose this way and that Betty: Yaayy, I like that lesson, NJ nora_gatine: and then figure out what you're going to do with your figure Roni: is it possible to make the foil to tight? nora_gatine: I think I'm going to have her sleeping like this liteladi: cool NJ nora_gatine: yes, it is possible to mash your foil too tight julia_dodge: I like the sleeping pose emato: That you MUST make the kind of armature with foil the way you do nora_gatine: let me show you real quick how tight I do my armature Roni: that must have been what was wrong with my cat sculpture than julia_dodge: k liteladi: hey i havent even tried something that advanced. I did mess with making a snowman ornament nora_gatine: it's still squishable nora_gatine: let me show you nora_gatine: that middle pinch would be too tight Roni: I was following Katherine Dewey's book on animals but after I put the clay on I couldn't move it emato: Same here Roni Roni: so if there is air in somewhere, it doesn't hurt? I used a hammer to mash it together Betty: in her new book for small dolls, she doesn't use any armature emato: Just in the head liteladi: i wonder if i can make something like that. I would love to try a tiger person liteladi: or cat type woman?? Roni: that sound cool Penny liteladi: or a fire goddess Betty: Like in "Cats" the play? liteladi: yeah like the cats play Betty: That would be great emato: Does the figure with the loose foil need holes to let air escape? liteladi: I missed the claying part on the armature nora_gatine: I'm going to do that right now, cover this with clay nora_gatine: she can't sleep alone liteladi: oh cool liteladi: opps the she gets a he Roni: I'm going to go see if I can do anything with these new web shots I took. be back later emato: mush have been morning sickness Betty: LOL liteladi: no not yet they havent slept together Betty ponders the meaning of life emato: .......???.... Betty: ok, Had to play with the new menu liteladi stands up and applauds Betty: lol emato: ok -- I give -- what new menu Betty: Fit in pretty good didn't it? LOL Betty: Emote user Betty: next to chat list liteladi: click on the red exclamtion point liteladi: ah christmas music emato grabs Roni and dances around the room liteladi faints on liteladi liteladi: hmmm emato turns away from Roni and blushes liteladi pokes you in the chest emato ducks down to hide from Roni Betty sings, "Tell me what you want, what you really, really want" Betty: Arrrgghhh emato hiccups and then searches for a glass of water meows3xx left the room Roni (meows3xx) joined the room nora_gatine: How'd it go Roni? nora_gatine: with the screen shots? Roni: NJ, what program do you use to open the web cam shots? nora_gatine: Photoshop nora_gatine: so I need jpgs Roni: I've got them saved as jpg's but it still says opens with Arc photo studio but I can change that except I don't have photoshop nora_gatine: check to see if you can do a "save as" nora_gatine: and see if one of the options is "jpg" liteladi: ah the fireplace is finally lit Roni: I can, that's what I did nora_gatine: did you send them? Roni: will send these to you and when you have time see if they will open for you nora_gatine: I'll see if I can open them nora_gatine: ok? meows3xx left the room emato2 left the room emato (emato2) joined the room nora_gatine: welcome back Karin nora_gatine: I'll get the link for using leaf shaped cut outs for muscles Roni (meows3xx) joined the room emato: thx -- serious crash and burn nora_gatine: NoraJean.com/Biz-Archive/Sculpt/MayDoll-2002/SkinTones-thms Roni: they're on their way, if it works I'll go back and change the one's from yesterdays demo emato: Thx NJ. I ordered and received a set of the leaf cutters to try this nora_gatine: NoraJean.com/Biz-Archive/Sculpt/Obachan-001 nora_gatine: ok, so we know it's a male nora_gatine: because we built up the shoulders and arm muscles emato: Do you start out with a certain size tin foil? julia_dodge: where nora_gatine: the foil is as long as the foil is wide coming out of the box nora_gatine: pull out a foot length and cut into thirds julia_dodge: if he don't get a zipper, skip the jewls nora_gatine: or use foil pop ups nora_gatine: no details yet Julia nora_gatine: we'd just getting general body shape and without details we know this is a male emato: don't know what foil pop ups are but that is what I was wondering. Gesh you make it so darn easy looking. And it DOES look male already nora_gatine: from the back we see a wide shoulder area and narrow hips and a knucle butt julia_dodge: lol nora_gatine: we can start out with the same foil armature nora_gatine: and depending on where we put the extra clay we make it male or female Roni: can you put a lady butt next to him so we can compare, I'm very visual LOL emato: It seemed you had a pre-measured amount since after you rolled it then bent it - it was the right length etc... Roni: thank you nora_gatine: now if you want to make the female shorter don't twist the torso foil lengths as many times as the many times as the man's emato: he has a nice crack -- I guess until he gets his tail? Roni: but honey, I can't live under water emato: They make a lovely couple nora_gatine: I'll be doing more detail work with him but I'm going to take a biological break and save log nora_gatine: how about 20 minutes, I got to grab something to eat Roni: and don't forget to eat something nora_gatine: exactly emato: EXACTLY Roni: okay liteladi: yup hungry here too nora_gatine: I've been on for nearly four hours and I got to eat something julia_dodge: I got pot pie in the ovem nora_gatine: so see you on the hour liteladi: K nora_gatine: which ever hour you have there in your time zone Betty: Thanks, NJ emato: here too -- the gang is waiting meows3xx left the room |
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