September 2003

Pen Pals

I didn't get the first part of the demo log because I had to reboot.  There's some gaps in this log because I didn't save often enough. Nancy/TechiMom is going to send me the whole log and this page will be replaced.

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meowys_hairball: yeah i have to pry myself away to get stuff done hehe
auntyalias: Toni
kelsnel: lol me too
auntyalias: I can SEE you now
auntyalias: ok, roll call, first name and location
Toni: oh great!!
auntyalias: NoraJean, San Francisco
meowys_hairball: Stacey, Virginia
twinmom94002: libbi, san francisco
Toni: Toni - New York State
techi_mom56: nancy~ clatskanie, oregon
kelsnel: Kelley, Parker Colorado
auntyalias: and Nancy copy your chat log for me and email it to me
since you saw all
auntyalias: close out all old cam windows of mine, I'll open cam anew
Toni: To see you do i just click on you?
kelsnel: okay
auntyalias: Help I'm upside down
kelsnel: lol
techi_mom56: okay got it
auntyalias: the space capsule gyrascope she's a broken
twinmom94002: eek!
auntyalias: LOL
techi_mom56: its the software
auntyalias: I had it upside down to show sculpting
auntyalias: and somehow the setting just got stuck, second time that
happened
meowys_hairball: kinda afk, tech support on phone
auntyalias: so I did some unnecessary click and clicked back and then
hit apply
kelsnel: so do you san franciscans get together over there?
auntyalias: so Kelly was asking how do we pose a leg or an arm and not
get things all goofed up, is that correct?
kelsnel: yes please
auntyalias: Libbi and I are just starting to
kelsnel: thats awesome
twinmom94002: NJ and I just recently met
auntyalias: now do you want me to start from the aluminum foil
armature?
auntyalias: are you ready? Did you see the tute?
auntyalias: I can get you the link, no problem
kelsnel: well is that how you do it? you move the armature first?
kelsnel: yes I saw the tute on your site and I made the armature posed
the way I want but how do you put the clay over that?
auntyalias: http://www.norajean.biz/Armature-Grp.htm
kelsnel: I mean like when a leg is next to a stomach? Do you know what
I mean?
auntyalias:
http://www.norajean.biz/Sculpt/MayDoll-2002/006-2ndLayer.htm
kelsnel: like the one you have who is holding her leg
auntyalias: before I pose
auntyalias: I make all the arms and legs extended
auntyalias: put in creases at the back of the knees and inner elbow
auntyalias: so when we bend the knee or elbow
auntyalias: there's a crease to guide your clay mounds
auntyalias: when they press against each other
auntyalias: they well up, like how muscles bunch up
auntyalias: pose last, after you put clay clothing on them even
auntyalias: especially after you've dress it if you're using clay
sheets
auntyalias: let me get you another link for that
kelsnel: okay so i just make a crease with the shaper where I want it
to bend?
auntyalias: http://www.norajean.biz/Africa/Index.htm
auntyalias: on this page is a screen shot
kelsnel: k thanks
auntyalias: of a figure laid out like Jesus on the Cross
auntyalias: and the clay sheet is dusted on the side that meets the
skin
auntyalias: so they don't stick together
kelsnel: ohhhhh okay
auntyalias: you can drape clay sheets like fabric and lay folds and
such all when the inside of the sheet is dusted
auntyalias: makes our life so easy
kelsnel: okay great!
auntyalias: Toni don't have cam?
An Invitation to view your Webcam was sent to slinky_malinki_2003
(9/6/03 8:34 PM)
auntyalias: just sent the invite
auntyalias: Sometimes when folks get bumped out of chat, their name
stays up on the list to the upper right
Toni: no
auntyalias: Honey, you on Mac or PC?
auntyalias: Toni, I mean
Toni: pc
auntyalias: and you came into chat from the Friend's List?
Toni: no , from the group
auntyalias: not from the list's chat function on the website
auntyalias: ah,
auntyalias: could you open Yahoo Messenger, right click on my name
there and "join user in chat"?
meowys_hairball left the room
meowys_hairball joined the room
meowys_hairball: heh sorry, the tech guy ran a test and it hung me up
auntyalias: welcome back
slinky_malinki_2003 left the room
Toni (slinky_malinki_2003) joined the room
auntyalias: ok
auntyalias: now Toni, right click on my name
auntyalias: and go view cam
auntyalias: \(*o*)/
auntyalias: Let's give it up for TONI
auntyalias: ATTA GIRL
meowys_hairball: Yay TONI!
kelsnel: YEAH!!
meowys_hairball: hehe you're so cute NJ
twinmom94002: WOOOOHOOOOO!
Toni: LOL...I did it
auntyalias: I'm clapping
meowys_hairball: slow motion clapping *laughs*
auntyalias: he he he
twinmom94002: hehehe
techi_mom56: cheer
auntyalias: ok, now for those who want to clay along, I'd say get out
your aluminum foil
kelsnel: okay
meowys_hairball: i'm folding fabric while you guys clay hehe
kelsnel: lol
auntyalias: no problem, I'm clearing the deck, got to change cam
angles and get the box of aluminum foil
kelsnel: do any of you have photos up of your work somewhere?
auntyalias: said
meowys_hairball: hi man!
kelsnel: Hello to you
techi_mom56: hi said
auntyalias: He did a Muscle Man pose
meowys_hairball: I have photos up at meowy.net
kelsnel: okay cool I will go look
meowys_hairball: ooh if i vanish, i'll brb. we gotta switch phone
filters now for dsl again ugh.
kelsnel: k
kelsnel: WOW Stacey you are REALLY good! I love minis!
meowys_hairball left the room
meowys_hairball joined the room
auntyalias: someone took my sissors and I'm having a hard time, hold
up
kelsnel: k
meowys_hairball: if you want, youc an blame my husband.. he always
taking my scissors too
kelsnel: lol
kelsnel: did you get my message stacey?
jude (greatauntjudy) joined the room
kelsnel: your stuff is awesome
techi_mom56: mine threatened to take my clay once!!!!
auntyalias: Howdy Jude
meowys_hairball: thank you Kelley!!  *blush*
meowys_hairball: Hi Jude
techi_mom56: so i went and fixed dinner...grin
jude: Howdy!
auntyalias: CherylH is on her way
chelyha55 joined the room
kelsnel: I love minis! and your animals are just adorable!
kelsnel: Hi Jude!
meowys_hairball: thank you! =)
jude: How is everyone tonight?
kelsnel: you are welcome
kelsnel: I am great thanks
kelsnel: and you?
techi_mom56: great..
twinmom94002: hi jude & cheryl!
jude: Doing fine.
chelyha55: Hello all!
kelsnel: good
kelsnel: Hello
meowys_hairball: Great! How are you?
techi_mom56: hi cheryl
chelyha55: hi!
auntyalias: http://www.norajean.biz/Armature-Grp.htm
auntyalias: Roll Call
auntyalias: NoraJean, San Francisco
meowys_hairball: Stacey, VA
chelyha55: Cheryl in Tehachapi, CA
techi_mom56: nancy clatskanie, oregon
kelsnel: Kelley - Parker Colorado
jude: jude, Tehachapi, CA
Toni: Toni - New York
auntyalias: old timers
auntyalias: can tell the new comers
auntyalias: what the heck I am doing
auntyalias: so I'm not slowed down in turning around to type
auntyalias: virtual scribes a ready?
chelyha55: what ARE you doing?

(Gap in the lot)

auntyalias: the pop up foil is for wrapping sandwiches
kelsnel: they use them for weaving hair
auntyalias: they pop up like kleenex
chelyha55: hmm that would be convenient
auntyalias: they are just the best
kelsnel: yes
meowys_hairball: ooh.. we're still working our way through this mega
roll of foil that came with the house 2 years ago
auntyalias: and where they fold we cut
auntyalias: for the prep for the armature
kelsnel: okay
chelyha55: LOL Kel!
kelsnel: lol
auntyalias: otherwise what I do is pull off a length and fold the foil
in 4 inch sections
chelyha55: oh no that was meows
chelyha55: sorry
meowys_hairball: what size is the figure.. just random or is this 1:1
scale?
chelyha55: that was cute
auntyalias: both, Stacey
auntyalias: it was random
auntyalias: and it fits 1 inch scale
auntyalias: by accident
meowys_hairball: oh awesome.  accidentslike that are good
auntyalias: how big is this guy, hold on
auntyalias: since I didn't twist the torso all the way up, thinking I
was going to do a woman, she'd stand 5 foot 5 inch
kelsnel: oh thats perfect
auntyalias: if you twist the torso just about all the way up you can
make a man 6 foot tall
auntyalias: if you want half scale
auntyalias: what do you do to the foil?
meowys_hairball: oh.. good size
auntyalias: half the length, half the width, right?
kelsnel: yes got it
meowys_hairball: sure
auntyalias: and for 1/4th scale
auntyalias: keep on folding and cutting creases
meowys_hairball: what brand is this foil?
chelyha55: all that scale stuff confuses me
auntyalias: Generic Brand Cheap
meowys_hairball: oh spiffy.. will try to get some tomorrow.
chelyha55: 99 cent store!
auntyalias: one inch in mini is one foot in real life, 1:1 scale
kelsnel: I bet you could get it at costco or sams club too
meowys_hairball: oh sams is 2 hours away hehe
auntyalias: oh these greens are of different colors, let me mix them
auntyalias: let me get a bit of gold to add with it
auntyalias: brb
kelsnel: what is she doing now? has that gone thru the pasta machine?
chelyha55: yes but she has two diff colors
chelyha55: so she will blend them
kelsnel: oh okay cool
chelyha55: Thats what I've been doing, gold and green and red/gold
chelyha55: what is that?
kelsnel: what is that?
chelyha55: looks like popcorn
bonsaikathy joined the room
meowys_hairball: hehe
meowys_hairball: Hi Kathy
kelsnel: yeah
chelyha55: oh I bet it is pearl
kelsnel: Hi Kathy
chelyha55: Hi Kathy!
auntyalias: pearl, translucent and white, part of the sushi rice mix
auntyalias: Howdy Kathy
auntyalias: up late
chelyha55: Haha!
techi_mom56: hi kathy
bonsaikathy: we just got home from the car show which we couldn't go
to until after I got off at 11
bonsaikathy: just stopping by to say hello to everyone
chelyha55: glad you did!
bonsaikathy: I'm heading to bed, just saw everyone on and wanted to
say hello
kelsnel: oh I love car shows was it fun?
bonsaikathy: Cheryl sure good to see you and Nancy here, haven't seen
either of you for awhile
bonsaikathy: this car show and the one next week takes up the whole
town and they cruise all night long
chelyha55: I have more time now.
bonsaikathy: we were watching them cruise
techi_mom56: i posted my tale of woe on the group...chuckle..but yes i
am back
kelsnel: how fun
chelyha55: I'm getting ready for a string of shows
chelyha55: oh I didn't see that Nancy... I'll have to look
kelsnel: is she putting the caly in a food processor??
bonsaikathy: yeah the cars are pretty incredible and there are
literally 100's of them
kelsnel: wow where so you live?
bonsaikathy: Ok everyone, good to see you all, big hugs
kelsnel: do
chelyha55: Oh yes, the food processor is great for conditioning clay
and mixing it
kelsnel: by Kathy
bonsaikathy: Pigeon Forge, TN
chelyha55: nitey nite Kathy
techi_mom56: they have a big one on the s washington coast called the
end of the world...they drive up and down on the beach...i havent been
but its supposed to be great
kelsnel: oh too far for me to go
kelsnel: LOL
meowys_hairball: Yeah I have a small processor too.. was a wedding
gift from inlaws haha
kelsnel: sounds like so much fun
bonsaikathy: it is
kelsnel: so do I need to get one of those food processors? are they
expensive?
bonsaikathy: just traffic is extremely bad
kelsnel: oh I bet
bonsaikathy: buy one at a yard sale
chelyha55: you can use a small one
bonsaikathy: cost me about 5 bucks
meowys_hairball: it helps to condition.. a small one only about 9
bucks
kelsnel: oh good idea!
auntyalias: Ok
techi_mom56: get it at a garage sale or second hand store..
auntyalias: when it balls up
auntyalias: it's warm and ready to do a taffy pull to mix the colors
meowys_hairball: makes cute little balls of color
bonsaikathy: ok nite all this time I'm gone
meowys_hairball: night kathy
kelsnel: that will give me an excuse to go shopping tomorrow woohoo
kelsnel: night Kathy
bonsaikathy left the room
jude: I hve got to go. Thanks NJ! Night all!
auntyalias: see ya Jude
kelsnel: Night Jude
chelyha55: nite Jude!
greatauntjudy left the room
auntyalias: this is the taffy pull
kelsnel: did she put it thru the pasta machine?
chelyha55: not before she starts to sculpt
chelyha55: just pulls it
chelyha55: and softens it up
kelsnel: then how do you know how clay to use? I mean ho do you get
the arms and legs even?
kelsnel: how much clay
auntyalias: cover it
auntyalias: first
kelsnel: okay
auntyalias: don't sweat the little details yet
chelyha55: that's a good question
kelsnel: okay
auntyalias: we're doing broad brush strokes
auntyalias: but you saw those sheets?
kelsnel:
auntyalias: about 12 inches long
auntyalias: and 4 wide
auntyalias: because I store them on the pop ups
auntyalias: it takes 2 and a half sheets
auntyalias: there abouts
kelsnel: k
auntyalias: pressed at the widest setting
auntyalias: and you'll have a bulky hunk
kelsnel: okay
auntyalias: but to make things even
auntyalias: use your hands
auntyalias: with your eyes closed
auntyalias: hold both legs
auntyalias: you will feel where they are different
kelsnel: ohhhh okay
chelyha55: No YOU will feel where they are different!
chelyha55: it takes practice
auntyalias: with our eyes closed we can tell the difference in the
size of seed beads
auntyalias: better than if we look, right?
kelsnel: yes true
auntyalias: well then, close your eyes if you feel the legs or arms
are uneven
chelyha55: yeah you're right
auntyalias: your hands will tell you if the upper arm or calf is too
bulky
auntyalias: now I was going to make this into a female
kelsnel: okay
auntyalias: so we need additional padding on the hips
auntyalias: butt
auntyalias: breasts
kelsnel: yes
auntyalias: we ideally should have 1.7 ratio between breasts and hips
to waist to be universally attractive
auntyalias: for it signifies a good breeder
kelsnel: really?
auntyalias: it's been studied by anthropologists and biologists
auntyalias: yup
kelsnel: wow
chelyha55: LOL
auntyalias: the hour glass figure is considered attractive even
amongst remote native populations
auntyalias: without TV or other mass media input
auntyalias: "looks like she can bare 10 children"
auntyalias: they would say
auntyalias: and women pick men
kelsnel: that is good to know
chelyha55: I would think that big butts would be considered desirable
auntyalias: who SMELL like they have different antibodies
chelyha55: big hips I mean
auntyalias: so the children will have benefit of both sets of
antibodies
kelsnel: wow
auntyalias: women stress about being thin
kelsnel: I know I do
auntyalias: most men like hips they can hold on to
kelsnel: lol
auntyalias: a butt they can bash into
chelyha55: I don't
auntyalias: who wants to rock and roll on bones?
kelsnel: yes true
auntyalias: fashion is one thing
techi_mom56: i stressed about being tooo thin...but not
anymore...laugh
auntyalias: what folks are drawn to from thousands of years of hunting
and gathering is another thing
kelsnel: yes instincts for breeding
auntyalias: in China they bound the feet of women for a thousand
years, but it was a passing fashion
auntyalias: it passed and folks went back to letting the women's feet
alone
auntyalias: ok so let's give this figure the signals that it's a
female
kelsnel: okay
chelyha55: that wouldn't have worked on my size 9's
techi_mom56: or my 11's
kelsnel: or my 10's LOL
techi_mom56: wow...so i am not alone..giggle
chelyha55: the better to balance on, eh?
techi_mom56: right...
auntyalias: ok, now do this at home, bend your elbows, and then bring
them to your sides
meowys_hairball: i reached the bottom of the laundry baset!! 6 hours
today to sort fabric ugh
auntyalias: where do the elbows line up with?
meowys_hairball: waist
kelsnel: your waist
auntyalias: it's a more or less sort of deal
techi_mom56: waist
auntyalias: but when bending the arms on your armature
auntyalias: where are you going to line up them elbows?
kelsnel: ??
meowys_hairball: waist?
auntyalias: Yes, Stacey, you bend your armature arms at the waist
meowys_hairball: aahaha wasn't sure if it was a trick question
kelsnel: lol
auntyalias: now if you can cross your legs, put your foot on your
forearm
meowys_hairball: oh yah i know that one.. foot same size
auntyalias: have to bend over for this
techi_mom56: yeah right....
chelyha55: mine line up with the top of my hip bones
kelsnel: its the same size!
chelyha55: so am I a monkey?
auntyalias: your foot size is often the same size as the forearm
auntyalias: Limber Cheryl
auntyalias: LOL
kelsnel: lol cheryl
chelyha55: OMG it is!!!
meowys_hairball: hehe
auntyalias: so if we bend the arm at the waist, we know how long we
not only have to measure out the forearm, but how big the feet are
going to be
kelsnel: this is so cool
auntyalias: trick on the foot, lookie here
auntyalias: the heel sticks out further than the ankle
auntyalias: in the back
auntyalias: in the old Cinderella story
auntyalias: one of her step sisters cut off her heel to try to fit the
glass slipper
auntyalias: so push the foot over your finger, make that heel go over
your finger and start pinching for the ankle
meowys_hairball: ooh now i know why my doll i was working on looked so
silly.. heel was flat
kelsnel: mine too
techi_mom56: laugh you should hear the discussion steve and i are
having about the foot/forearm thing...
auntyalias: oh here's one for men
auntyalias: take their middle finger
auntyalias: and bend it until it touches the palm of their hand
auntyalias: from the tip of the finger to where they touch is possible
penis size
auntyalias: LOLOLOL
auntyalias: LOLOL
kelsnel: lol
meowys_hairball: haha
chelyha55: Hey ladies, I have company over so I am going to scoot
techi_mom56: LAUGH
meowys_hairball: see you later Cheryl
auntyalias: ok Cheryl
auntyalias: see ya
techi_mom56: bye cheryl
kelsnel: okay bye Cheryl
chelyha55: nitey nite all
chelyha55 left the room
auntyalias: I'm going to work my way up the leg and start forming
things like calves and thighs
kelsnel: okay
kelsnel: what you have done so far would take me like 2 days
auntyalias: you make the knee by pinching the sides of the knee, and
pushing the clay up and then pushing the clay down from the thigh
auntyalias: Howdy Sharon
kelsnel: Hi Sharon
kelsnel: oaky
auntyalias: to get the creases for upper thigh
auntyalias: bend the legs
auntyalias: and then unbend them
auntyalias: where the clay mashed up
auntyalias: clear it out
auntyalias: that's your crease
meowys_hairball: for behind the knee?
kelsnel: okay but when you say clear it out do you cut it out?
auntyalias: upper thigh
auntyalias: watch
kelsnel: k
auntyalias: it's bent right?
auntyalias: now I'll unbend it
kelsnel: yes
meowys_hairball: OH! yes i see where you bent it now
kelsnel: yes me too
meowys_hairball: i thought we was still at the knee haha i'm caught up
now
meowys_hairball: you know, you might just manage to teach me to sculpt
humans.
kelsnel: wow I think I have got ti I can't wait to try that
auntyalias: test your bends by bending the figure as you go along
auntyalias: we're still working in broad brush strokes
kelsnel: k
auntyalias: don't worry about finger prints or lumpy bumps
kelsnel: we will fix them later?
auntyalias: yup
shargoose joined the room
shargoose: Geesh
shargoose: COMPUTERS!!!!!
techi_mom56: amen to that!
shargoose: My keyboard went out and had to get batteries
shargoose: Sorry for bouncing in and out
meowys_hairball: i leave finger prints usually.. i like them..
meowys_hairball: hi sharon
shargoose: Hi
techi_mom56: hi sharon
shargoose: We doing a pen pal?
meowys_hairball: she just showing us armature bends today
shargoose: K
meowys_hairball: it has foil inside
shargoose: Yup
kelsnel: HI Sharon - I'm Kelley
shargoose: Good
shargoose: I don't recognize a few of you here!!
kelsnel left the room
kelsnel joined the room
kelsnel: it just bumped me out
techi_mom56: nancy...returned from the computer death (just the hard
drive)
auntyalias: Kelley and Sharon welcome back
auntyalias: roll call?
auntyalias: NoraJean, San Francisco
kelsnel: thanks
techi_mom56: nancy clatskanie, oregon
shargoose: Sharon in NH
kelsnel: Kelley Parker Colorado
techi_mom56: near the might columbia river
meowys_hairball: stacey, va
auntyalias: ok now I got everyone on cam
auntyalias: the same trick for the knee you do for the elbow
auntyalias: pinch the sides of the elbow with the arm bent
auntyalias: then push up from the under forearm
techi_mom56: sight..the mighty...
auntyalias: and push down from the lower bicep
kelsnel: okay
shargoose: Love the green, NJ
shargoose: Is that the female Hulk?
auntyalias: Jolly Green Giantess
shargoose: LOL
shargoose: I'm having trouble with my female pen pal, NJ
shargoose: Her neck was too thick so I raised her head above the top
of pen
shargoose: I reinforced it with wire through the head and neck down
one die of pen for about 1 inch
shargoose: I think that will hold after baking
auntyalias: why didn't you thin the neck?
shargoose: Cause the pen inside made it look thick
auntyalias: when in doubt
auntyalias: use a feather boa
auntyalias: LOL
auntyalias: to hide a thick neck
shargoose: That's an idea
shargoose: Or a collar or something
shargoose: I missed the first part where you did the head and neck
thingy
auntyalias: or hair
shargoose: Yes, that's it, hair!!
auntyalias: the necks are the pen cover and just the thinnest layers
of clay
shargoose: Why didn't I think of that??
auntyalias: hair hides a multitude of problems
auntyalias: That's why I'm here
shargoose: Thanks
auntyalias: to give your muse a goose
shargoose: I think I'll go work on her now
auntyalias: go girl
auntyalias: do it when the fire is hot
shargoose: The muse has grabbed me and is yanking me to my clay....
shargoose: ve ya
auntyalias: follow your muse then honey
shargoose: Bye
auntyalias: kisses and hugs
shargoose left the room
techi_mom56: wave
kelsnel: mine is frozen is yours?
kelsnel: oh never mind it is okay now
meowys_hairball: no.. it paused for a sec there though
techi_mom56: i am here...working on a tin and doing log saves
auntyalias: so she has a slight smile on her face
techi_mom56: nj i was just thinking how far i have come in a year..
kelsnel: yes I saw you do that - I love her
auntyalias: now if we were to dress her with clay sheets at this point
I'd lay her out with arms extended
auntyalias: and legs straight
auntyalias: then arrange the clay sheets over her
auntyalias: and THEN pose her
kelsnel: so you pushed up the cheeks and the sides of the mouth you
pushed inwards
auntyalias: feel the muscles on your face as you smile
auntyalias: some muscles go outward at the sides of your mouth
auntyalias: and cheeks go upward
kelsnel: yes I see
auntyalias: lips thin
auntyalias: so that's the quick and dirty job
auntyalias: LOL
auntyalias: she's too sticky to work with for a bit
auntyalias: so I'll take questions at this point
auntyalias: she's resting
kelsnel: I can even see her smiling around the eyes
meowys_hairball: wow how do you keep the clay so warm? mine always
cools down by the time I get to the other end of a project
auntyalias: but I started out with a face without expression
kelsnel: so another place I have a problem is how far does the chin
come out from the neck?
auntyalias: depends on the face I'd reckon
auntyalias: some folks got no chin
kelsnel: lol true
auntyalias: goes from the lower lip to the neck
auntyalias: some folks got more chins than the chinese phone book
kelsnel: lol
auntyalias: what one does have to watch out for with male and female
faces
auntyalias: is men's jaw lines are very strong, strong chin too
auntyalias: heavier brow
kelsnel: yes
auntyalias: women's faces the chins are smaller, the jaw line softer
auntyalias: the brow not so Prefrontal Ridge like men's
auntyalias: now
kelsnel: yes I have been studying the pics on your site
auntyalias: the faces of babies have certain characteristics that make
folks want to love them
auntyalias: when you mix baby features on a woman's face you get the
models they are picking right now
kelsnel: it is just hard to get what I want into the clay
auntyalias: full lips
auntyalias: big eyes
kelsnel: ohhhh
auntyalias: small features clustered on the lower part of the face
auntyalias: because they want us to love these models like babies
auntyalias: but see them as grown women
auntyalias: mixed messages
meowys_hairball: anorexic w/ botox injections
kelsnel: I see like angelina jolie?
auntyalias: ya ya
auntyalias: exactly
kelsnel: okay I see
auntyalias: Jackie made a Pen Pal
auntyalias: and her friend said it looked like a man in drag
meowys_hairball: hehe
auntyalias: what the problem was the jaw line was too strong
auntyalias: the chin too big
kelsnel: LOL that is what people said about my mermen
auntyalias: and it did look like a man in drag
meowys_hairball: your merman has awesome hair
kelsnel: okay I c - so pay close attention to that
auntyalias: now if you want the MerMen to look like fancy men, then ok
auntyalias: if you give a man female features
auntyalias: you get the movie stars they are passing off on us now
kelsnel: oh thanks I got if from the wefts lady on ebay she has great
deals
meowys_hairball: my lady attempts usually look like men w/ mustaches
cause I twitch and chop the lip up ugh
auntyalias: there's a lot of men with female features that are heart
throbs
kelsnel: you know now that I think about it you are right
auntyalias: don't be afraid to rework an area
auntyalias: what's that honey?
kelsnel: like mel gibson has pretty eyes and long eyelashes
auntyalias: Johnny Depp
auntyalias: another case in point
kelsnel: that the male stars have female features
meowys_hairball: Yeah he's kind of girly looking
kelsnel: yes
auntyalias: Leonardo Decaprio (sp)
meowys_hairball: Dainty men
kelsnel: oh yes - both would make pretty girls
auntyalias: a girly-man, hear me now and believe me later
kelsnel: lol lol
meowys_hairball: hehe
auntyalias: now this lady is going to be trimmed down before curing
kelsnel: I just can't thank you enough NJ this was wonderful
kelsnel: I learned SO much
auntyalias: she's like a track star or something, tennis player
kelsnel: with a knife?
meowys_hairball: yes this was very very helpful.. plan to try tomorrow
with a figure
auntyalias: just pinch off bits
auntyalias: to get definition on muscles
auntyalias: what people do is be too delicate with their clay
kelsnel: you will have to give another demo on that I am afraid
auntyalias: you see how quickly the body can be covered
kelsnel: yes I think I am too rough
meowys_hairball: oh not me.. i'm only restrained by joint pain ahaha
auntyalias: and how quickly the armature can be made
kelsnel: yes
meowys_hairball: i figure the worst case, i ball it up and go again
auntyalias: exactly
kelsnel: same here
meowys_hairball: i have lots of marble clay wahaha
auntyalias: I've taken clay off of figures that weren't cured yet and
recycled the clay
techi_mom56: dont we all..laugh
auntyalias: blend to one hue and practice mud people
meowys_hairball: the foil gives me trouble, i think our foil must be
thicker than what most use.. it's real hard to work with
meowys_hairball: i use the muddy colors to make cats
auntyalias: Golems
kelsnel: yes and I get half moons and bubbles when I use foil
auntyalias: when you cover the foil make sure it's compressed as much
as possible
meowys_hairball: i've used one of thoxe wooden hammers you supposed to
beat steaks with? to smush foil down.
kelsnel: okay I will
auntyalias: and when you add clay, make sure it's conditioned and warm
to work with
kelsnel: okay
auntyalias: and you can feel if you have a big air bubble when you
roll the body between your hands
kelsnel: I will get one of those processors tomorrow
auntyalias: I found one on her tummy and took the knife to it
meowys_hairball: yeah that processor help a lot..
kelsnel: okay
auntyalias: whirl it until it balls up, the clay, then do the taffy
pull
meowys_hairball: gas.. just cut it out!
auntyalias: the quickest way to condition clay and to mix colors
auntyalias: you saw how quick that went
kelsnel: like for how long should I do the taffy pull?
auntyalias: no time at all
meowys_hairball: it's why i like minis so much, only little pinches of
clay .. easy to warm hehe
kelsnel: yes it was amazing
auntyalias: until the colors are blended or the one color clay pulls
like taffy
kelsnel: okay
auntyalias: and you don't need a pasta press, this was done by hand
until the face was done in rough draft
kelsnel: yes I saw that
meowys_hairball: do you paint your eyes, or make clay eyes.. harden..
then press them in?
auntyalias: I poke eye sockets
auntyalias: drop a ball of pearl clay for the whites
auntyalias: and then poke a hole
auntyalias: and add a cone of eyeball cane
meowys_hairball: ooh
meowys_hairball: yeah i forgot about your eye cane
auntyalias: there's a tute on eyeball cane
auntyalias: shall I get the link?
kelsnel: yes please
meowys_hairball: i tried painting eyes.. and oh my.. it's.. unique.
auntyalias:
http://www.norajean.biz/MSAT/ClayArt/Swaps/Faces-NonSwap.htm
auntyalias: here's everything on faces
kelsnel: thanks
auntyalias: http://www.norajean.biz/Sculpt/Eyeball/Index.htm
auntyalias: and here's looking at you, Kid
auntyalias: http://www.norajean.biz/Sculpt/Eyeball/04-24-03-thms.htm
meowys_hairball: yeah.. i need to make an eye cane.. too shakey to
paint nice mini eyes
auntyalias: here's the demo on eyes
auntyalias: I limit myself to just clay for the most part
auntyalias: I assume everyone is broke, as broke as the 10
Commandments
auntyalias: so I don't use other stuff like paint or Pearl Ex
auntyalias: I use old eye shadow
auntyalias: and chalk dust
auntyalias: discount Floor polish
auntyalias: keep it cheap
meowys_hairball: i have pearlex, don't use it much though haha
auntyalias: make it easy
kelsnel: oh thats a great idea - I know those pearl ex powders are
expensive
meowys_hairball: i'm hoping to wig/dress in fabric on my pen
meowys_hairball: ooh i got mine waaay cheap last year at michael's.. a
misprint coupon and i got them so cheap.. i thought for sure they'd
say no
auntyalias: if you need hair for your figures, use Hair Extensions
from the beauty supply shop
auntyalias: it's much cheaper than doll hair and comes in longer
lengths and colors for humans
meowys_hairball: i have viscois (sp?) plus, hopefully it's not just
sick.. but i cut my husband's hair and keep it awhaha
meowys_hairball: oh that'd be cool.. i'm almost out of red viscois
too!
meowys_hairball: michael's quit carrying it =(
auntyalias: let me show you a picture
meowys_hairball: can you curl the extentions using water and wrapping
on a stick, or will it melt in the oven when I heat-dry it?
auntyalias: http://www.norajean.biz/LEXX-CowboyKai-2.htm
auntyalias: I've done multiple curing with hair extensions, check this
page
auntyalias: then we can have hair on our figures we can shampoo, set
and style
kelsnel: wow cowboy kai is way cool
auntyalias: I buy them braided
auntyalias: and curled
auntyalias: Cowboy Kai is my best articulated figure
auntyalias: two sets of clothing, Cowboy and Indian
auntyalias: a hobby horse
auntyalias: boots and moccasins
auntyalias: and a bull whip
meowys_hairball: wow.. that's awesome. i don't know if ewe have beauty
supply here.. might be one up north like a sallys or something?
auntyalias: when you buy the hair already braided get the MICRO brades
auntyalias: then you don't have loose strands
meowys_hairball: does it unbraid okay?
auntyalias: you keep them braided when you bury the ends in the raw
clay
meowys_hairball: oh okay
auntyalias: well check out the other pictures, it's unbraided there
kelsnel: there is a lady that sells them on ebay and they are only
like 5.00 for big ones
meowys_hairball: this is awesome. i'll pass this along too
meowys_hairball: what are these again? hair extentions?
auntyalias: http://www.norajean.biz/CowboyKai-3d.htm
auntyalias: I get two dozen strands, Micro "S" braids, a yard long,
for less than two dollars
auntyalias: one package lasts a life time
kelsnel: wow
meowys_hairball: cool
meowys_hairball: i can always use more doll hair!
auntyalias: hold up I got something else to show you
kelsnel: so you put the braids in before you bake the clay then?
kelsnel: k
auntyalias:
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1751108&a=30436692&pw
auntyalias: mini and full size use of straight hair extensions
kelsnel: thanks
meowys_hairball: ooh
auntyalias:
http://www.norajean.biz/MSAT/ClayArt/WebCam/Demos-Tech-02.htm
auntyalias: check out the one with the cigarette
meowys_hairball: i'm so glad you brought this up.. i really don't like
that fake hair crap that craft stores sell.. it looks so far from
realistic!
auntyalias: Shady Sadie
auntyalias:
http://www.norajean.biz/MSAT/ClayArt/WebCam/DemoPix-019.htm
auntyalias: here she is
auntyalias: now the bigger the hair, the closer to God
auntyalias: y'all remember that
auntyalias: LOL
meowys_hairball: hehe
meowys_hairball: NICE hair!
kelsnel: lol looks like my hair
kelsnel: for real
auntyalias: Cosmic
auntyalias: she never did get cured, actually
auntyalias: she got fussed with and then put away raw
auntyalias: should cure her with the cracks and all and say it was
deliberate
kelsnel: yes good idea
auntyalias: LOL
auntyalias: ya, that's the ticket
meowys_hairball: hehe
kelsnel: well I better get claying before my hubby starts hollering
bedtime
meowys_hairball: yeah, need to head off myself. Thanks so much NJ!
This was a huge help tonight!
kelsnel: It has been so wonderful I can't wait for the next one NJ
thanks so much
auntyalias: okie dokie
meowys_hairball left the room
auntyalias: next time we'll natter about this plate of faces
kelsnel: goodnight ladies
auntyalias: nighty night, did you have a good first Demo?
kelsnel: sounds good!
kelsnel: A GREAT one
auntyalias: LOL
auntyalias: good
kelsnel: thanks again so so much
auntyalias: post to the list and share it with them
auntyalias: please
kelsnel: okay will do
auntyalias: thanks honey
kelsnel: goodnight
auntyalias: sweet dreams
kelsnel left the room
auntyalias: Nancy you're on Pacific Time
techi_mom56: right..
techi_mom56: been saving the logs...
auntyalias: just saved what I had
techi_mom56: i have managed to stay online the whole time...
auntyalias: wow
auntyalias: it's so weird to have a plate of faces
auntyalias: I forget, since they are part of Demo
auntyalias: and folks come through who are uninitiated and they go
Yikes
techi_mom56: chuckle..
techi_mom56: i have sheets stuff..wrapped in saran wrap for future
use..like tonite..putting chrystanimum cane on aol tin..
auntyalias: she's a pen pal holder
techi_mom56: yeah...i saw the "army" of them..fun project..
techi_mom56: let me know where to send the log to...steve is mumbling
about bedtime...
auntyalias: just to my antalias@pacbell.net
auntyalias: go on off to bed I'll close up shop
techi_mom56: okay NJ...so good to back...will get the cam going
tomorrow..what days do you work now?
auntyalias: Leave out Sunday afternoon, come back Wednesday evening
auntyalias: but I got a computer there
auntyalias: Karin sent it to me
auntyalias: we had all the other stuff, just paid for shipping
auntyalias: I can edit my websites from Ruth's
techi_mom56: terrific..that is so nice of her...i am soo happy for
you..u hated being out of touch...
auntyalias: so I'll be posting from work and stuff
auntyalias: I'll bet
auntyalias: I'd have been living at the closest internet cafe with a
roll of quarters
auntyalias: LOL
auntyalias: like I did when I was on Tour
techi_mom56: giggle
auntyalias: well nighty night
auntyalias: good to have you back
techi_mom56: huggs...
auntyalias: xoxo
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