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minimadness423: the better to poke it into other's business artisticweddings: to my knees norajean_sf: and there's wrinkles in the process mommaclara2001: I wouldnt know. norajean_sf: so let's start aging this little face here, ok? tedi382001: gotta go telephone, many thanks nj rozebude: skin texture changes tedi382001 has left the conference. Yahoo! Messenger: hlynn1975 has declined to join and sent: Thanks, but no thanks. norajean_sf: shall we begin? wwpeabody: yep canastananny: yes, please artisticweddings: yes rschneiter1963: yes minimadness423: yep artisticweddings: ok so my nose is now hanging over my lip canastananny: okay, we need someone to explain what she is doing... mommaclara2001: Where is Shan? curika1: b canastananny: Shannon where are you? ? ? mommaclara2001: Any way it looks like she is pushing the skin down. ziggysnowy: i am back canastananny: jowls mommaclara2001: Around the mouth, and eyes. artisticweddings: It's so sad curika1: saggy - gravity artisticweddings: please dont use the s word curika1: you see more bones with floppy skin curika1: rofl clayladyinred: I'll be right back.... the ice cream man is up the street... and you know how 7 year olds are...LOL curika1: uh huh/.... sure mommaclara2001: Ok, Shan canastananny: okay curika1: so... yoiu made a v on either side down there? artisticweddings: ok hes cute curika1: can't believe in such short period of time he's looking older rschneiter1963: not old more gentlemanly curika1: lol artisticweddings: NJ when I die will you fix my face young for my funeral? angelxxs: distinguished mommaclara2001: She is good, isn't she? curika1: ROFLMAO angelxxs: LOL curika1: yep minwin: what tool are you using to do the face? canastananny: you can say that again curika1: clay shaper artisticweddings: oh gawd the bags... curika1: lol minimadness423: wouldn't the funeral director have a cow when NJ brings in her food processor, tons of clay and her shaping tools...LOL rschneiter1963: not bags them hold all the love they see artisticweddings: Yes but what a great ending minimadness423: not to mention curing her work mommaclara2001: How old do you have to be, to look like that? curika1: i guess i'm strange... my entire life I've LOVED looking at guys that had bags - seems to me it makes their eyes more prominent, and beautiful curika1: always been sexy to me minimadness423: hmmmm....I think I would like for her to make me look like one of her stargazer lilies canastananny: depends on how much wear and tear you've had...LOL... wwpeabody: not too old just have rough life minimadness423: and sun exposure curika1: lol norajean_sf: so now the face is old curika1: look at that! rschneiter1963: you know if you put bibbed overalls on him he would look like my grandfather wwpeabody: bad genes norajean_sf: when sculpting an old face, start out with a young one and then move the clay downward curika1: fantastic nj artisticweddings: heck hed look like me minimadness423: good genes gone bad norajean_sf: to simulate the loss of elasticity of the skin ziggysnowy: it is beautiful curika1: and that's basically all there is to it - making gravity curika1: yes rschneiter1963: NJ I have a question minimadness423: he looks mischievous norajean_sf: if we want her to smile, start out with no expression and make a smile norajean_sf: question? curika1: wrinkles... norajean_sf: rscheiter got a question artisticweddings: heard that rschneiter1963: yeah when you make the little people how do you make them not look plastic? minwin: What tool are you using to change the face? rschneiter1963: now I have never made one but some look so waxy or pastic norajean_sf: give them expression, expression is life, most "doll" faces look over medicated ziggysnowy: is the tool flexible? curika1: yes - TOO smooth artisticweddings: some of us are medicated norajean_sf: LOL minimadness423: some of us need to be medicated norajean_sf: but our doll faces don't have to be artisticweddings: ha rozebude: LOL curika1: that's why you can tell ppl who've had plastic surgery bonsaikathy: actually that's true NJ, I never thought of that before artisticweddings: i want mine to pout curika1: their faces don't look normal artisticweddings: like sex goddesses norajean_sf: if you don't want a waxy look, don't put a finish on the face, clay left alone after curing is a bit dull rschneiter1963: my sister is always shiney curika1: question curika1: about curing... norajean_sf: go for it Mary curika1: how long? norajean_sf: 1/2 hour at 275F or 130C artisticweddings: isnt there a powder to brush on fairy faces? curika1: wow, that's all for a sculpture? clayladyinred: back! finally....LOL mommaclara2001: Good! angelguy1242000: wb curika1: you can use chalk, or pearl ex, something like that norajean_sf: I do my sculptures in stages, so it goes into the oven over and over curika1: wb curika1: ahhh norajean_sf: let's make this face smile more angelxxs: I have a question? rschneiter1963: you can do that? curika1: that way you know for sure it's completely cured norajean_sf: oh, another question first artisticweddings: i was thinking of using sparle powder artisticweddings: sparkle minimadness423: shhhh...don't tell Shannon we talked about her norajean_sf: drop kick it.... LOL, no that's a joke clayladyinred: LOL curika1: uh oh it went away mommaclara2001: Yes curika1: the webcam angelxxs: has anyone ever added transclusent or pearl to their clay to make it look 'glowy'? angelxxs: lol norajean_sf: Cure it according to the manufacturer's recommendation rschneiter1963: can you make him smile like he is thinking something? norajean_sf: different clay takes different amounts of time, read the directions on the package and go for that. But if your work has a lot of clay, I say do it in stages, add a layer, cure, add more, cure again norajean_sf: yes, let's make him smile curika1: ok it's back curika1: ok - artisticweddings: WOW u guys my chocolate face is turnin out great curika1: YAY clayladyinred: NJ is pressing up with the tip of a clay shaper at the points of the mouth to make a smile angelxxs: oooh, do you have a web cam we could look at later?? mommaclara2001: That is greatMargie clayladyinred: also, adjusting the cheeks a bit artisticweddings: See this is sooo helpful minimadness423: Artistic are using REAL chocolate that I wish I had here eating????? curika1: great smile clayladyinred: cool Artistic! can't wait to see it! curika1: that was quick, too! lol artisticweddings: aww hes smilin norajean_sf: the lips thin over the teeth with a smile rschneiter1963: hahaha that is great!!! that is my grandpa angelxxs: rschneiter1963: thanks!!!!! norajean_sf: the corners of the mouth go IN curika1: i don't know if i like claying while watching demo minimadness423: uhhhh....he's been up to something artisticweddings: yes chocoltae and corn syrup angelxxs: Santa Clause!! curika1: i miss too much norajean_sf: the bags under the eyes bunch up curika1: so basically 2 things for smiles minimadness423: Artistic...talk about challenges...the temptation not to eat your work! angelxxs: NJ, You are awesome!!!!! curika1: bunch up bags and corner of mouth upturned norajean_sf: when a smile does not reach the eyes, it seems fake clayladyinred: but easy clean up Kathy....LOL artisticweddings: oh but i have eaten those who dont behave norajean_sf: you know folks who smile with their mouth but it never reaches their eyes curika1: yes angelxxs: lol, i was just thinking... if he doesn't turn out, Artistic, you could always eat him!! norajean_sf: that "oh I'm being polite" smile that is not sincere curika1: right - not real smile angelxxs: yep, curika1: why pretend? angelxxs: I know a few people like that... norajean_sf: make the smile reach the eyes by moving some cheek mass upward clayladyinred: yes... hate those kinds of smiles norajean_sf: crinkle the crow's feet artisticweddings: thats the smile my dad gives when he doesnt buy my story clayladyinred: LOL rschneiter1963: like he knows rschneiter1963: but will let you tell it anyways artisticweddings: i like him better old nj artisticweddings: hes startin to look like mickey rooney julia_dodge: lol artisticweddings: haha norajean_sf: LOL canastananny: he's been around long enough to know that it really is about the little pleasures in life curika1: lol curika1: u r amazing, nj norajean_sf: always start out with a face without expression and then give it expression by moving the mouth, the cheeks, around the eyes curika1: how long u been doing this? norajean_sf: oh a minute and a half norajean_sf: LOL artisticweddings: ha clayladyinred: LOL rschneiter1963: yup and he knows soon enough you will face up to your story norajean_sf: 6 years mommaclara2001: curika1: that is all? I would have thought 26 artisticweddings: yep but I never face up to dad canastananny: lLOL... curika1: i love that face norajean_sf: well with doing demo it does add up. Some of you will have only evenings and week ends to practice. I've been doing demos for a couple of years and that practice time adds up. curika1: that's true norajean_sf: now to make this face sad norajean_sf: what do we do? curika1: i've been doing it 1 year this month, but all the time cuz i'm home all the time curika1: eyes downward at corners rschneiter1963: put the mouth down and make the bags go down? ziggysnowy: lips down? curika1: same with lips minimadness423: leave it alone...like him happy...but if you must stand him on his head clayladyinred: pull the cheeks and mouth down norajean_sf: and what about the eyebrows? artisticweddings: \One month curika1: scrunched? norajean_sf: yup rschneiter1963: but the eyes will have to be sad too and that is sad curika1: in the center - give him a or more wrinkles between eyebrows? angelxxs: and frown lines above the brow curika1: lol angelxxs: lol curika1: ahhh - making inside cheeks smaller curika1: cuz they puff out when smiling, happy and flatter when not artisticweddings: kool curika1: yes! curika1: i'm sitting here smiling, not smiling, smiling, not smiling, and feeling my face lol julia_dodge: lol rschneiter1963: why is cedric sad? curika1: should be doing it in a mirror lol curika1: cuz something's stuck up his nose? curika1: lol minimadness423: or somewhere else????? angelguy1242000: lol artisticweddings: he heard my story curika1: lol curika1: wow rschneiter1963: nah cause he cant go out traveling curika1: rofl minimadness423: cause he ran out of viagra curika1: cuz he's constipated artisticweddings: he needs a lady friend artisticweddings: same thing curika1: lol canastananny: LOL curika1: amazing norajean_sf: he's not happy now curika1: look at that! artisticweddings: oo he did get po'd rschneiter1963: I think he is sad cause he is dreamin of days gone by when him and bessie were able to travel angelguy1242000: his lady friend is with that other guy on the table curika1: he sure isn't artisticweddings: lol norajean_sf: now watch rschneiter1963: he looks kind of mean now curika1: k artisticweddings: what tool? minimadness423: how did he know? he has no ears yet to hear them...and he has no eyes yet to see them curika1: wow norajean_sf: he's saying "Hey you KIDS, get outta my yard!" curika1: rofl julia_dodge: lol clayladyinred: LOL curika1: what do you use for hair, usually? artisticweddings: lolol rschneiter1963: nah he is saying Bessie dang nab it get back in here curika1: lol clayladyinred: NJ uses clay and tls to make hair minimadness423: he's saying get that danged thing out of my mouth NJ! curika1: ahhhhh curika1: wow canastananny: Grumpy Grandpa curika1: do you ever do teeth? curika1: my goodness! minimadness423: that danged thing tastes like clay artisticweddings: flatten his nose and he looks like my uncle who got kicked by a horse clayladyinred: "darn rabbit, get out of my garden!" norajean_sf: furrow those brows curika1: lol canastananny: LOL minimadness423: "I'm an old fart! I can do what I danged well please!!!" clayladyinred: "now where did those teeth git to???" curika1: what i can hardly believe is, curika1: all those expressions, so realistic looking - but still with no eyes!!! curika1: and you don't 'miss' them either artisticweddings: if you squished my head like that Id be mad too curika1: that's what blows me away norajean_sf: but we started out with a face without expression curika1: yes minimadness423: not teeth....teef curika1: lol norajean_sf: and then we gave it expression and that expression tells a story clayladyinred: I agree Curika clayladyinred: LOL thanks Kathy! norajean_sf: there's only 7 expressions, can we name them? curika1: yes it does norajean_sf: happy norajean_sf: sad curika1: happy sad, mad mean norajean_sf: surprise curika1: surprised curika1: lol norajean_sf: revulsion curika1: shocked norajean_sf: fear countrylady100ca: Excuse me Sorry I have to run to store yup again Sorry minimadness423: disbelief curika1: k... bye clayladyinred: ok Sonya... bye! countrylady100ca: BRB angelguy1242000: bye sonya norajean_sf: and two more I forget, let me get a link. See ya Sonya artisticweddings: bye minimadness423: bye sonya ziggysnowy: bye curika1: amazing canastananny: bye mommaclara2001: Bye Sonya clayladyinred: is there a look for "hubba hubba"??? countrylady100ca: I leave my lapnote on curika1: still unbelievable that with all those expressions, you just don't miss the eyes!!! artisticweddings: he sorta reminds me of a snapper turtle curika1: lol curika1: he's got that 'I'm in your face' look about him at that angle minimadness423: reminds me of Terminator 2 when that guy morfed through the bars in the hospital clayladyinred: yes he does artisticweddings: lol minimadness423: rubber necking on the highway norajean_sf: Fear Anger Enjoyment Distress Disgust Interest Surprise Contempt Shame clayladyinred: reminds me of Voldamort on the first Harry Potter movie... when he was in the back of the prof's head curika1: that REALLY shows the talent... ppl not missing the eys, but seeing everything you mean for them to see! norajean_sf: http://www.norajean.com/Rambles/11-14-04-FaceExpression.htm curika1: lol norajean_sf: It's in that ramble angelxxs: it's my next door neighbor, yelling at my boys norajean_sf: Ok, now see those seven expressions? clayladyinred: yep norajean_sf: Fear Anger Enjoyment Distress Disgust Interest Surprise Contempt Shame rschneiter1963: NJ can you make it into a lady ? rschneiter1963: or is that a whole nother stucture? norajean_sf: What I'd like for all y'all to do is to make one face without expression, then make effort to get those 7 expressions curika1: but i count 9 norajean_sf: old women and old men resemble each other, like young baby boys and girls resemble each other clayladyinred: homework???? clayladyinred: LOL norajean_sf: it is during breeding season that they differentiate curika1: ok - that'll be fun norajean_sf: Practice norajean_sf: not homework julia_dodge: lol curika1: then i'll get my son's digital camera and take pics... norajean_sf: it's a way to practice getting expression on a face norajean_sf: if you don't know what a face of disgust looks like norajean_sf: get a mirror curika1: to show the improvement norajean_sf: pick up a dirty sock rschneiter1963: hmmm now grandma and grandpa didnt reseamble each other except that twinkle in there face norajean_sf: and smell it norajean_sf: then look at your face clayladyinred: LOL angelguy1242000: rofl julia_dodge: lol curika1: actors do that kind of stuff all the time norajean_sf: eeeeewwwweeeeee curika1: so do singers norajean_sf: exactly artisticweddings: singers? curika1: yes norajean_sf: look at your own face and see if you can make the face of fear, or of delight rschneiter1963: can you mak him happy again NJ? Like he just saw his grand kids? artisticweddings: u sing curika1: used to artisticweddings: me too norajean_sf: hold on let's see if we can adjust this guy curika1: cool! curika1: ok rschneiter1963: great dental work minimadness423: NJ...I told you to get that danged thing outta my mouth...especially after you shoved it up my nose curika1: lol clayladyinred: hehehe clayladyinred: now I see a big gummy grin! artisticweddings: brb minimadness423: hush old man...there are worse places she could have been adjusting clayladyinred: curika1: nj - what about the ears? the tops of them start at the bottom of the eyes? rschneiter1963: he is startning to laugh minimadness423: think of that one and get the disgust look down pat clayladyinred: I think at the eyebrows... and go to bottom of nose, or there abouts... clayladyinred: that last one was for you Curika curika1: that quick! clayladyinred: awwww isn't he cute! curika1: ty ty lol norajean_sf: ok, ears norajean_sf: Let me get a link curika1: k curika1: it doesn't even take her 2 mins to change expressions! clayladyinred: my daughter came up to me the other day, and was looking at my ears.... wanted to see if I was attached or unattached...LOL norajean_sf: oh rats, I thought I had a picture, I'll show you first on the grid clayladyinred: she's done this a LOT!!! LOL curika1: k curika1: so which ;are you? clayladyinred: I'm attached LOL rschneiter1963: attached or un? rschneiter1963: hehe lvmypolymerclay has joined the conference. clayladyinred: clayladyinred: hey Lynn!! You have invited lvmypolymerclay to view your webcam. curika1: welcome lvmypolymerclay: Thanks NJ lvmypolymerclay: Howdy norajean_sf: You're welcome honey, I'm going to draw a grid to show where ears go clayladyinred: long time no see! rschneiter1963: on his face? curika1: k julia_dodge: http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=3440812&uid=666520 julia_dodge: face lvmypolymerclay: been a long time since I had chat on my computer clayladyinred: ohhhhh... well glad to see ya! clayladyinred: oh look at how easy she draws that lvmypolymerclay: good to see you too rschneiter1963: yeah she makes it look easy clayladyinred: profile of a face, for log readers bonsaikathy: she's always made it lok easy, lol curika1: i draw and paint lady faces... so that I can do... it's on the sculpture - how to make them bonsaikathy: but I never tire of watching her do this curika1: you push like the rest of the face? clayladyinred: LOL I understand Curika curika1: and don't add more clay? lvmypolymerclay: I can only draw an elephants back side clayladyinred: me either BK clayladyinred: LOL norajean_sf: go touch where your jaw ends please canastananny: an artist at work norajean_sf: your ear lobe is right up above where your jaw ends, yes? curika1: basically middle of eye is top, and just above where jaw is bonsaikathy: yes curika1: yes norajean_sf: now touch the outer corner of your eye and go in a straight line towards your ear norajean_sf: some of the top of the ear lobe is above the corner of your eye line, yes? bonsaikathy: hey we need a screen shot of that rschneiter1963: my ears are higher hehe norajean_sf: it's a "more or less" sort of deal bonsaikathy: Bec can you grab one with snag it please lvmypolymerclay: guess my ears are in the right place norajean_sf: ok one more measure curika1: do you just push the clay nj, and not add? curika1: ok clayladyinred: screen shot got norajean_sf: go to the side of your nose and move in a straight line to your ear rschneiter1963: think I got it Kathy bonsaikathy: thanks hon clayladyinred: np norajean_sf: your finger should fall in your ear hole, it's in a straight line from the corner of your nose, yes? curika1: yes - never looked at it that way before curika1: yes bonsaikathy: NJ this is perfect lvmypolymerclay: so far so good bonsaikathy: it makes it so much more clear how to position the ears canastananny: me too norajean_sf: ok, so we got one line from the jaw norajean_sf: one line from the corner of the eye and the outside of the nose curika1: yes rschneiter1963: got it norajean_sf: that's your grid curika1: and the middle of ear is in middle of face... where the nose is ziggysnowy: thank you canastananny: Wow, you make it all so simple norajean_sf: now there's another grid line norajean_sf: if you looked at the top of the head, and drew a line over the top at the center norajean_sf: that is usually where your ears are curika1: yes.... rschneiter1963: ok... norajean_sf: touch the top of your head and run your finger down to your ear curika1: cool norajean_sf: we have surrounded the ear curika1: perfect norajean_sf: now don't add clay for ears curika1: just push norajean_sf: PUSH clay from the side of the eye, from above the jaw norajean_sf: yes clayladyinred: I notice the occipital bone is at about the bottom of the ear level norajean_sf: there's an indentation at the temple of your head curika1: k norajean_sf: use that clay on the clay face, you need an indentation there anyway, move the clay towards the ear curika1: right norajean_sf: so now I'll show you on clay norajean_sf: ok? curika1: k julia_dodge: k wwpeabody: k canastananny: okay norajean_sf: but I'll save log first ziggysnowy: ok bonsaikathy: yes |
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