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artisticweddings: me too norajean_sf: hold on let's see if we can adjust this guy curika1: cool! curika1: ok rschneiter1963: great dental work minimadness423: NJ...I told you to get that danged thing outta my mouth...especially after you shoved it up my nose curika1: lol clayladyinred: hehehe clayladyinred: now I see a big gummy grin! artisticweddings: brb minimadness423: hush old man...there are worse places she could have been adjusting clayladyinred: curika1: nj - what about the ears? the tops of them start at the bottom of the eyes? rschneiter1963: he is startning to laugh minimadness423: think of that one and get the disgust look down pat clayladyinred: I think at the eyebrows... and go to bottom of nose, or there abouts... clayladyinred: that last one was for you Curika curika1: that quick! clayladyinred: awwww isn't he cute! curika1: ty ty lol norajean_sf: ok, ears norajean_sf: Let me get a link curika1: k curika1: it doesn't even take her 2 mins to change expressions! clayladyinred: my daughter came up to me the other day, and was looking at my ears.... wanted to see if I was attached or unattached...LOL norajean_sf: oh rats, I thought I had a picture, I'll show you first on the grid clayladyinred: she's done this a LOT!!! LOL curika1: k curika1: so which ;are you? clayladyinred: I'm attached LOL rschneiter1963: attached or un? rschneiter1963: hehe lvmypolymerclay has joined the conference. clayladyinred: clayladyinred: hey Lynn!! You have invited lvmypolymerclay to view your webcam. curika1: welcome lvmypolymerclay: Thanks NJ lvmypolymerclay: Howdy norajean_sf: You're welcome honey, I'm going to draw a grid to show where ears go clayladyinred: long time no see! rschneiter1963: on his face? curika1: k julia_dodge: http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=3440812&uid=666520 julia_dodge: face lvmypolymerclay: been a long time since I had chat on my computer clayladyinred: ohhhhh... well glad to see ya! clayladyinred: oh look at how easy she draws that lvmypolymerclay: good to see you too rschneiter1963: yeah she makes it look easy clayladyinred: profile of a face, for log readers bonsaikathy: she's always made it lok easy, lol curika1: i draw and paint lady faces... so that I can do... it's on the sculpture - how to make them bonsaikathy: but I never tire of watching her do this curika1: you push like the rest of the face? clayladyinred: LOL I understand Curika curika1: and don't add more clay? lvmypolymerclay: I can only draw an elephants back side clayladyinred: me either BK clayladyinred: LOL norajean_sf: go touch where your jaw ends please canastananny: an artist at work norajean_sf: your ear lobe is right up above where your jaw ends, yes? curika1: basically middle of eye is top, and just above where jaw is bonsaikathy: yes curika1: yes norajean_sf: now touch the outer corner of your eye and go in a straight line towards your ear norajean_sf: some of the top of the ear lobe is above the corner of your eye line, yes? bonsaikathy: hey we need a screen shot of that rschneiter1963: my ears are higher hehe norajean_sf: it's a "more or less" sort of deal bonsaikathy: Bec can you grab one with snag it please lvmypolymerclay: guess my ears are in the right place norajean_sf: ok one more measure curika1: do you just push the clay nj, and not add? curika1: ok clayladyinred: screen shot got norajean_sf: go to the side of your nose and move in a straight line to your ear rschneiter1963: think I got it Kathy bonsaikathy: thanks hon clayladyinred: np norajean_sf: your finger should fall in your ear hole, it's in a straight line from the corner of your nose, yes? curika1: yes - never looked at it that way before curika1: yes bonsaikathy: NJ this is perfect lvmypolymerclay: so far so good bonsaikathy: it makes it so much more clear how to position the ears canastananny: me too norajean_sf: ok, so we got one line from the jaw norajean_sf: one line from the corner of the eye and the outside of the nose curika1: yes rschneiter1963: got it norajean_sf: that's your grid curika1: and the middle of ear is in middle of face... where the nose is ziggysnowy: thank you canastananny: Wow, you make it all so simple norajean_sf: now there's another grid line norajean_sf: if you looked at the top of the head, and drew a line over the top at the center norajean_sf: that is usually where your ears are curika1: yes.... rschneiter1963: ok... norajean_sf: touch the top of your head and run your finger down to your ear curika1: cool norajean_sf: we have surrounded the ear curika1: perfect norajean_sf: now don't add clay for ears curika1: just push norajean_sf: PUSH clay from the side of the eye, from above the jaw norajean_sf: yes clayladyinred: I notice the occipital bone is at about the bottom of the ear level norajean_sf: there's an indentation at the temple of your head curika1: k norajean_sf: use that clay on the clay face, you need an indentation there anyway, move the clay towards the ear curika1: right norajean_sf: so now I'll show you on clay norajean_sf: ok? curika1: k julia_dodge: k wwpeabody: k canastananny: okay norajean_sf: but I'll save log first ziggysnowy: ok bonsaikathy: yes curika1: k rschneiter1963: where is the indention? curika1: LOVE the monkey with the pasta machine curika1: at the temple julia_dodge: only face I made that looked real bonsaikathy: I've got to try another one curika1: always make the grid lines first clayladyinred: the indentation is kind of between the eyebrow and eye level I think clayladyinred: feel your temple curika1: yes lvmypolymerclay: some recommend having a mirror nearby so you can look at your own face. study it...it really helps curika1: that makes sense to me rozebude: I have to go. Thanks NJ I have learned so much. ty ty ty bye all curika1: cool canastananny: Bye clayladyinred: bye Roze julia_dodge: bye curika1: bye rozebude lvmypolymerclay: touch your face and feel the bone structure and where the indents are wwpeabody: bye mommaclara2001: Bye Rose rozebude has left the conference. curika1: yes lyn curika1: perfect ziggysnowy: difficult to get the other ear the same model sherintaha has joined the conference. curika1: hi sheri norajean_sf: ok, Top of the Hour break minimadness423: rule number one for the household...when you have a VCR or DVD...EVERYONE learns how to program it....danged I missed the ear making clayladyinred: hi Sherry curika1: thanks for showing that to us nj norajean_sf: and I'll take questions now ziggysnowy: thank you NJ curika1: size of ears.... curika1: as you know sherintaha: Hi Shannon clayladyinred: I got a couple shots of it Kathy and what's showing now curika1: some have big, small, fat, flat norajean_sf: depends, babies have BIG ears and they are lower down on the face norajean_sf: let me tell you about baby faces ziggysnowy: I am going to bed. It is getting late here. curika1: how do you decide which kind for what face norajean_sf: the half way mark on a baby's face is the HAIR LINE curika1: k clayladyinred: ok, bye Ziggy ziggysnowy: Thank you so much for this demo norajean_sf: not the eyeball line rschneiter1963: will he always have that neck? bonsaikathy: great norajean_sf: My pleasure honey thanks for coming ziggysnowy: I have tried to capture it curika1: bye ziggy mommaclara2001: Bye Ziggy curika1: k julia_dodge: bye clayladyinred: interesting tip for babies NJ ziggysnowy: Will send you the demo norajean_sf: let me draw you the baby face grid norajean_sf: to show you ziggysnowy: bye all curika1: i thought... and i'm probably wrong about this nj norajean_sf: Bye Bye norajean_sf: go for it Mary, what's up? ziggysnowy has left the conference. curika1: i thought babies were born with their heads as they will be - and the body grows into the head,... curika1: know what i mean? it doesn't grow like the body, basically curika1: did i say that right? norajean_sf: baby's heads are out of proportion to the rest of the body curika1: YES curika1: larger, basically norajean_sf: the reason why babys are born so helpless is the brain grows a lot in two years of life curika1: so the body grows 'into' the head julia_dodge: I have to go now, got a date to play bingo with my sister. Thanks for the Demo..Love Yas lvmypolymerclay: the features spread out as they get older curika1: bye julia norajean_sf: if the baby were born with the full sized brain, the mothers would split like a ripe orange curika1: yes... curika1: lol canastananny: LOL julia_dodge has left the conference. curika1: not brain - don't mean that... the size of the head norajean_sf: that's why there's the bones that fold over on the baby's head, to fit in the birth cannel norajean_sf: that's why nutrition is important in the first few years of life clayladyinred: no the head is smaller on babies... the eyes are the size they'll always be curika1: mine almost didn't - his head was toooooooo big curika1: ahhhhhhhhh ok norajean_sf: if there's not enough or the right nutrition there will be "nutritional retardation" curika1: and the head will be smaller then? norajean_sf: and that's found in under developed parts of the world or where there is urban poverty rschneiter1963: yes curika1: ahhh norajean_sf: the head will grow, the brain will be harmed curika1: oh! norajean_sf: so let me show you the baby grid on paper curika1: k curika1: see, i was confused about that - knew it was something - thought it was the head, but it's the eyes curika1: knew something didn't change curika1: lol clayladyinred: glad you asked.... others might have wondered about that too curika1: yep - no such thing as a stooopid question curika1: k clayladyinred: absolutely! curika1: of course, those who are egoed out don't think that way clayladyinred: LOL they don't belong to this group! curika1: i agree! lol curika1: i see the difference norajean_sf: now dig norajean_sf: the eyeball iris is ADULT size on babies curika1: k norajean_sf: just the hole for the eye is small, that's why anything with BIG EYES makes us go ... awww how cute rschneiter1963: what part is the iris norajean_sf: the colored part clayladyinred: the color rschneiter1963: the dark part? rschneiter1963: ok minimadness423: here's a thought...as babies and grandbabies grow up have the professional photograpers add a full face shot and a full profile shot. give you what you need for referencing different ages wwpeabody: looks like an alien but all babies are aliens clayladyinred: black is the pupil norajean_sf: so the colored parts of the baby's eye fills up the whole eye most of the time curika1: i see norajean_sf: Let me see if I can find a link, hold on curika1: k norajean_sf: brb, chat amongst yourselves while I look for this link curika1: that's why you rarely see the whites of a babies eyes curika1: i'm working on mt face now angelguy1242000: cool, eating dinner here clayladyinred: cool! I worked on my native american last night... got the first layer of skin, and part of the muscles on mommaclara2001: Me too. mommaclara2001: Great, Shannon. canastananny: very good you guys clayladyinred: it really went a lot faster than how I had done it before... cutting out the leaf shapes helped a lot! canastananny: I need to get thses tools mommaclara2001: I expect that it would. canastananny: these curika1: i didn't do anything last nite but try to finish up my masks for the swap i'm in - with sarajane helm clayladyinred: the right tools make all the difference! but you really don't need a lot of bought tools.... mommaclara2001: I will have to get a set, before I start again. angelguy1242000: karen has all these tools curika1: didn't finish - thought i'd finish today... then i get an email from her asking if i'd do another as some have dropped out lol canastananny: yes, that is what NJ said yesterday curika1: i want to get a couple of more sizes... have small and large, but need the medium sized ones canastananny: what size was the leaf cutters norajean_sf: http://www.norajean.com/New_Projects/BabyFace/Index.htm norajean_sf: http://www.norajean.com/New_Projects/BabyFace/MugShot-001.htm norajean_sf: that page is a reveiw of sculpting baby faces, it has a picture of a baby's skull norajean_sf: which we should study if we're going to sculpt babies canastananny: thanks curika1: got them added curika1: yes... can't just go into it blindly norajean_sf: The picture of the baby on that page is my grand daughter Rhiannon, I studied her a lot when she was a baby clayladyinred: sorry, phone rang..... back now norajean_sf: when you check that page look how large her ears are, now low on the head curika1: i can't believe how much i've learned from you these past 2 days, nj - thank you so much for giving so generously of your time and talent to us curika1: she's darling norajean_sf: how the color of her eyes fill the eye socket almost all the way curika1: yes... she's darling norajean_sf: It's an honor to serve norajean_sf: a lot of babies I see sculpted need food norajean_sf: they are all so skinny curika1: almost no whites in the eyes till they start growing norajean_sf: ya know? curika1: yes norajean_sf: fatten them babies for goodness sake curika1: lol norajean_sf: LOL norajean_sf: So BIG cheeks curika1: mine was soooooooooooooo fat - mother's milk for 2 years - my family didn't approve lol curika1: he never had forumula clayladyinred: big thigh rolls...LOL norajean_sf: tiny nose so it doesn't get in the way of nursing. I nursed for two years curika1: cool!!! when cavell was approaching 2 ppl would ask him what he was gonna get for his birthday norajean_sf: people bitched about it but that boy is over 6 foot tall and very healthy so everyone who made weird comment about nursing can kiss my fanny curika1: he'd get this look on his face and say, "not gonna get booby no more" curika1: rofl clayladyinred: LOL curika1: i agree! sherintaha: LOL norajean_sf: Oh my son said to the baby sitter, "Mommy at school?" The sitter said, "Yes Mommy's at School." Then he said, "So titty is at school too, huh?" curika1: i totally believe in nursing... in fact, i nursed 4 other babies sent to me by my baby's doc norajean_sf: "Yes, titty is at school too." clayladyinred: LOLOLOL curika1: rofl norajean_sf: and he was bummed curika1: out of the mouth of babes... don't you love them? norajean_sf: LOL canastananny: LOL curika1: i loved being a wet nurse canastananny: too funny bonsaikathy: I had to take care of some delightful elderly guests so I missed the finished gentleman curika1: dr cheldelin told me i could probably nurse half the babies in eugene! lvmypolymerclay: I can't relate to any of this LOL bonsaikathy: can you show him when you get a chance please NJ norajean_sf: but remember those big cheeks, large eyes, small jaw and nose curika1: awwwwwwwwww canastananny: Isn't being a Grandmother the best ever? curika1: lol curika1: yes canastananny: yep, sure do curika1: and study the pics bonsaikathy: I love being Gram but never get to see my grandsons bonsaikathy: they are in Okinawa bonsaikathy: oh that's wonderful NJ bonsaikathy: I love it curika1: i'm not a granny yet - wish i was bonsaikathy: thanks canastananny: oh, too sad.... norajean_sf: Now remember, folks, when doing an old face, start with a younger one and then age it rschneiter1963: see Kathy he is laughing mommaclara2001: Did you all know that Shan is a grandma? lvmypolymerclay: I'm not a mommy yet and don't think it's going to happen curika1: wow - too far away bonsaikathy: thank you for showing curika1: yes norajean_sf: by making everything GO DOWN bonsaikathy: yes a toothless grin bonsaikathy: I love it curika1: oh lyn.... clayladyinred: step-grandma Mom LOL norajean_sf: the older the face the less mass it has, the closer to the bone the skin is norajean_sf: I care for a 96 year old rschneiter1963: grandpa always nittered his teeth lol mommaclara2001: Yes, I was going to say that. norajean_sf: let me get a picture I drew curika1: you know, i never even wanted kids - EVER... but when i turned 30 something was missing, family would say 'kids' and I'd say no way... then, at 34 i decided... so, got pg and cavelll was born at 35 lvmypolymerclay: I'm almost 44....getting to set in my ways to have kids I think curika1: then i wondered why i didn't start being barefoot and pg when i was 18 clayladyinred: I'll share my teens with ya Lynn lvmypolymerclay: I still haven't potty trained the hubby yet so LMAO clayladyinred: LOL canastananny: My Grandmother always told me "To never say "Never" canastananny: LOL lvmypolymerclay: send em down...I'll take them to disney norajean_sf: That's Gerald, my old darling clayladyinred: they'd love that! clayladyinred: very good pic NJ! mommaclara2001: Oh they would like that. norajean_sf: he was napping and I sketched while he slept sitting up canastananny: Wonderful job NJ clayladyinred: awwwww norajean_sf: to study how the very old look minimadness423: 10th facial expression....napping mommaclara2001: That is great, NJ clayladyinred: LOL curika1: wow curika1: love it rschneiter1963: can I ask a question? clayladyinred: of course! lvmypolymerclay: remind me never to nap around you while you are sketching...I don't sleep pretty curika1: rofl clayladyinred: giggle clayalley has joined the conference. clayladyinred: hey Karen!! curika1: me neither - mouth open snoring clayalley: yo everyone norajean_sf: Karen is in Da House curika1: then i walk and talk in my sleep lol clayalley: LOL mommaclara2001: Hi Karen You have invited clayalley to view your webcam. rschneiter1963: do you ever see older people that are well old but they have the youth about them that glow? wwpeabody: hi minimadness423: hi Karen bonsaikathy: hey girl bonsaikathy: hows it going canastananny: Hi ther Karen, it's Tamara "Nanny" curika1: eeks - i need to go pick up my prescription!!! clayalley: hey whats a happening bonsaikathy: haven't seen you in forever curika1: thank you nj - and everyone! clayalley: busy as a bee norajean_sf: but when you're around folks, give an effort to sketch, everyone can learn how to sketch, but it just takes practice curika1: hi karen, and bye to all. clayladyinred: oh yes! Schneiter, they are wonderful! angelguy1242000: Hi Karen, it's Jeff norajean_sf: Go get the Meds. See you again. clayalley: Hey Jeff curika1: k... will do... thanks again curika1 has left the conference. norajean_sf: my pleasure clayalley: Does anyone see my typing twice norajean_sf: We're nattering about aging faces clayladyinred: nope rschneiter1963: ok guess you all dont see it then lvmypolymerclay: nope norajean_sf: I see your typing only once Karen clayalley: okay clayalley: thats good, its twice for me norajean_sf: is your evil twin here typing an echo? clayalley: Must be the Gburg Ghosts clayladyinred: LOL canastananny: LOL norajean_sf: if you got my cam up, that's Gerald, my old darling clayalley: love Gerald rschneiter1963: ok guess I better go my dears clayalley: a real cutie rschneiter1963 has left the conference. canastananny: bye norajean_sf: we're winding down now. Three hours is about as much as I can do in one sitting clayladyinred: don't blame you there NJ clayalley: arrrggh, I missed it norajean_sf: but you can ask questions about anything at this point clayalley: dang, pout, clayladyinred: we appreciate you doing it at all! bonsaikathy: yup sure do norajean_sf: I just got to pace myself canastananny: I must say that I have learn sooooooooooooo much! Thanks ! ! ! bonsaikathy: I love the sculpting demo's about most of all canastananny: Don't we all? bonsaikathy: I learn something new each time clayladyinred: me too BK mommaclara2001: Yes, this has been fun. Thank you so much, NJ clayalley: Love sculpting norajean_sf: The happy old guy says, No Problem bonsaikathy: and Gary will be here in a few minutes to eat dinner with me here at work minimadness423: well, I need to go to the grocery and a couple of other errands. Thanks NJ...I sent you an IM on the side about something else...you can read it after you are done. clayalley: missed yesterday and just caught this on digest canastananny: I have so enjoyed everyone clayladyinred: Karen, I got screen shots... so you can see them later clayalley: cool beans norajean_sf: oh cool Shannon, thanks a million lvmypolymerclay: I need food clayladyinred: yw! norajean_sf: I have logs so we got a new entry for the site bonsaikathy: yes thanks Shannon, I really appreciate it canastananny: Take care and good night clayladyinred: hubby just went to the store to get stuff to make pizzas clayalley: ah, I gotta share a url. eveyone hold on a sec bonsaikathy: NJ, Thank you SOOOOO much clayladyinred: thanks BK! norajean_sf: Link Link mommaclara2001: Sounds good Shan minimadness423: dang Shannon...he could have picked up the stroganoff stuff for me...now I definitely have to go to Krogers bonsaikathy: ok Karen clayladyinred: yes it does... went to the Honey Festival today Mom, and had to have my funnel cake LOL lvmypolymerclay: pizza....yum....I"m having chicken broc dish over rice clayladyinred: LOL Kathy norajean_sf: oooh funnel cake, paste that to my butt clayladyinred: it all sounds good! clayalley: yes hon norajean_sf: that's exactly where it would go mommaclara2001: Great. angelguy1242000: just had curried turkey lvmypolymerclay: I have a funnel cake maker..... clayladyinred: I know NJ...but once a year won't kill me! norajean_sf: LOL clayladyinred: that sounds good Jeff clayalley: Bonsai, did you want me hon norajean_sf: well my Doctor gave me grief, said my knee and ankle could use less weight on them norajean_sf: brb angelxxs: well, time for me to get busy... THANK YOU SO MUCH, NJ!!!! thanks to everyone els to... you all are awesome!! all the info here is great!! angelxxs: bye everyone clayalley: bye bonsaikathy: you said you were sending a url lvmypolymerclay: bye bonsaikathy: I was waiting, lol angelguy1242000: bye angelxxs has left the conference. clayladyinred: I think several of us have that problem NJ clayalley: well, darn, I am working on it canastananny: bye clayalley: LOL mommaclara2001: byeAngel clayladyinred: bye to those leaving bonsaikathy: oh oh, everyone Karen has a new product and if you do mini's check it out because it should do well for water effects canastananny: And thanks for all your help Shannon.... clayladyinred: yw Nanny! bonsaikathy: well you're working on it Karen you can send that url too pretty please angelguy1242000: that the one you posted about Kathy bonsaikathy: yes Jeff canastananny: Take care all.... Bye norajean_sf: back clayalley: I'm working as fast as my fat fingers can type norajean_sf: I should save log clayladyinred: LOL angelguy1242000: well trying to see if can get to Karen but might regret it,lol bonsaikathy: I have glasskote but she found the product that the lady uses for glasskote and it's the best thing I've seen so far for water in mini's norajean_sf: new folks post to the list your Demo experience, please clayalley: who wants me norajean_sf: so others will know bonsaikathy: very clear and self leveling and doesn't shrink to no where and need several applications clayladyinred: oh cool BK! clayalley: Clear Cote http://www.clayalley.com/tools.htm bonsaikathy: thanks Karen countrylady100ca: brb clayladyinred: I don't do minis but I could think up reasons to use it!! LOL clayladyinred: would a drop of it hold it's shape while curing? bonsaikathy: it's actually like a very thick decoupage medium Shannon canastananny has left the conference. clayladyinred: ahhhhh norajean_sf: Well my hubs is making hungry noises and so is my tummy, so I'd better toddle off angelguy1242000: does it smell? bonsaikathy: I'll bet our new member Rosemarie would like it clayladyinred: ok NJ.... thanks again! minimadness423: well, I'm gone...but am staying in the chat... will check the links when I get back...bye everyone bonsaikathy: bye NJ clayalley: I accidentially spilled some when I was pouring it. It dried so fast and super clear norajean_sf: thanks for coming to the Demo clayalley: I loved it clayladyinred: bye Kathy angelguy1242000: thanks Nj bonsaikathy: Bye Kathyl bonsaikathy: good seeing you again norajean_sf: Karen should I send you a separate email when I have demo, you must be on digest bonsaikathy: we really appreciate you NJ clayalley: Yep, I am on digest clayalley: have to to keep sane clayalley: LOL norajean_sf: ok, I'll cc you seperately when I send a notice to the list clayladyinred: what about special notice in the group? would she get it seperately? norajean_sf: maybe that would work too clayalley: That would be awesome NJ clayladyinred: that way others on digest would get it too norajean_sf: post the notice from the web as special notice wwpeabody: byeNJ norajean_sf: good thinking clayladyinred: norajean_sf: See ya Peabody bonsaikathy: yeah sure is clayalley: or ping me on YM, I always try to check in there when I am on line norajean_sf: well I got to go, James is too skinny to miss a meal norajean_sf: xoxo bonsaikathy: bye NJ lvmypolymerclay: lol clayalley: Bye NJ clayladyinred: LOL bye NJ angelguy1242000: bye NJ lvmypolymerclay: bye NJ mommaclara2001: Bye Niora Jean
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